Martinique with Big Block 454
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Topic: Martinique with Big Block 454
Posted By: 83martinique
Subject: Martinique with Big Block 454
Date Posted: December-10-2018 at 6:39pm
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looking to rebuild or replace starter on a 454, found some left hand rotation startes new at around $190. All i need is a brush set assembly,as my starter springs are shot, rusted in to a non usable condition. Any one know a place for starter parts? ------------- scott G |
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Posted By: Orlando76
Date Posted: December-10-2018 at 7:02pm
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If you ever drive through Apopka might be worth stopping at Millikan Battery and see what they have. ------------- Please support The Cystic Fibrosis Foundation 1976 Ski Nautique 351 Escort 1993 Ski Nautique purple and black 351 HO PCM |
Posted By: KENO
Date Posted: December-10-2018 at 7:11pm
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Assuming you have a reverse rotation Pleasurecraft 454 in the Martinique (it would have come from Correct Craft that way), it would have a rear entry starter and this diagram in the link would help you out with what rotation starter you would need if you decide to buy another one. It would be a clockwise rotating starter if all the above is accurate http://www.arcomarine.com/xhtml/tech%20determine%20marine%20starter%20rotation.pdf" rel="nofollow - link And here's a link to the Arco starter that would be appropriate or you could cross reference to other brands https://www.michiganmotorz.com/arco-mount-inboard-marine-starter-flywheel-reverse-rotation-p-625.html" rel="nofollow - link |
Posted By: 83martinique
Date Posted: December-10-2018 at 7:23pm
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very helpful thanks for the info,I now know the rotation for sure,my first clue was the firing order, and now this confirms it , starter is a good price on the link you sent also ------------- scott G |
Posted By: 83martinique
Date Posted: December-10-2018 at 7:27pm
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heading to apopka tomorrow so I will stop and ask ------------- scott G |
Posted By: KENO
Date Posted: December-10-2018 at 7:29pm
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Just to be sure, A reverse rotation 454 has a firing order of 1 2 7 5 6 3 4 8 going clockwise around the distributor cap. Is that what you have? |
Posted By: 83martinique
Date Posted: December-10-2018 at 7:33pm
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yes ------------- scott G |
Posted By: KENO
Date Posted: December-10-2018 at 7:41pm
Good, so you know what you have and what will work for a starter if you can't find parts for your present starter 
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Posted By: 83martinique
Date Posted: December-10-2018 at 8:34pm
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found all the parts to fix starter on alternator starter wholesale for$20.77 . Ill let you know how it turns out . I either saved $140 bucks or wasted 20 and a few hours time ------------- scott G |
Posted By: KENO
Date Posted: December-10-2018 at 9:38pm
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It's a chance I'd take I didn't look too hard but I didn't see brushes for a Delco 14 MT which is what yours is |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: December-11-2018 at 8:46am
| https://www.ebay.com/itm/Arco-Starter-30120-Fits-Mercruiser-OMC-Volvo-Penta-Replaced-by-30456/282839544483?epid=13014499180&hash=item41da8cf2a3:g:mUoAAOSw8i9ae3Vs:sc:FedExHomeDelivery!06759!US!-1" rel="nofollow - a few bucks cheaper than a new 30456 |
Posted By: Smithfamily
Date Posted: December-11-2018 at 9:11am
Late to the party and I see you got the parts from Milliken. Good guys at TRS on silver star rd, Orlando. Was an old Scottys lumber. They can rebuild it for you if you run into challenges. ------------- Js |
83martinique wrote:Posted By: Orlando76
Date Posted: December-11-2018 at 9:49am
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Oh yeah TRS. Better luck there no doubt. ------------- Please support The Cystic Fibrosis Foundation 1976 Ski Nautique 351 Escort 1993 Ski Nautique purple and black 351 HO PCM |
Posted By: KENO
Date Posted: December-11-2018 at 10:51am
And if you were to want to save a little more money and a bit of weight too, you could get one of these gear reduction starters in the link. It says it cross references with the original PCM Reverse rotation starter RA122008 and a pile of others including the Arco 30456 https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-PMGR-Starter-for-OMC-5-0-5-7-7-4-1978-1981-Pleasurecraft-Models/173189211432?hash=item2852e1a528:g:2jcAAOSw1CxamMzq:rk:30:pf:0" rel="nofollow - link |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: December-11-2018 at 6:52pm
I'd take the chance too. I'm glad to hear that someone's going the rebuild route and keeping it original.  As long as the field windings show continuity and the armature tests good on the growler, then the rebuild will work. Speaking of a growler, I'd say there's a good chance Ken has used one many times and in fact may even have one! ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: SNobsessed
Date Posted: December-11-2018 at 9:28pm
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You mean like this https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https://getplowed.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Growler-SQUARE.jpg&imgrefurl=https://getplowed.com/product/64-oz-growler/&h=872&w=872&tbnid=-aGY8vRywjVWFM:&q=growler&tbnh=186&tbnw=186&usg=AI4_-kQya7qx7Ui0YRTlNGMTKcAQA05oCQ&vet=12ahUKEwiMrJaZhJnfAhVn6YMKHVsICrIQ_B0wFnoECAQQBg..i&docid=kNnayOxVfR_aWM&itg=1&client=firefox-b-1&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiMrJaZhJnfAhVn6YMKHVsICrIQ_B0wFnoECAQQBg%20" rel="nofollow - one? ------------- “Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.” Ben Franklin |
Posted By: 83martinique
Date Posted: December-12-2018 at 11:47am
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it is a 27 MT ------------- scott G |
Posted By: KENO
Date Posted: December-12-2018 at 1:02pm
If it is a 27 MT it probably means a couple of things One is that it's for starting big beefy diesels Another is that you'll probably never find anything that says it's a marine starter with proper spark protection and USCG approval If you find marine applications/approval, post it here, it'll be good info
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Posted By: KENO
Date Posted: December-12-2018 at 1:13pm
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Good thing I said probably since the link below is to a marine 27MT for a marine diesel engine. Wrong rotation and wrong number of teeth but it looks like there are some marine 27MT's out there http://www.dp-alternator-starter.com/productshow.asp?pid=431" rel="nofollow - link Edit................ But a marine diesel starter isn't required to be ignition protected like one for a gasoline engine so that leads you to wonder about using a 27MT with a gas engine in a boat. |
Posted By: Cyclone
Date Posted: December-12-2018 at 9:13pm
| I don't know much about diesels but why don't they need to have spark protection on their starters? |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: December-12-2018 at 9:47pm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_point" rel="nofollow - Flash point ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: KENO
Date Posted: December-13-2018 at 8:23am
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Like the flash point link from Pete above says, the flash point is higher and diesel fuel won't cause an explosion nearly as easily as gas. Because of this gasoline is classified as a flammable liquid, and diesel fuel isn't, strange as that might sound. A diesel fuel leak in a boat's engine compartment can most definitely start a fire if it's spraying onto a hot enough surface like the exposed non water jacketed part of an exhaust manifold but it won't cause an explosion. Kinda like an oil burner in a house or garage. A fine spray of oil on the igniter makes a fire and doesn't cause your boiler to explode. |
Posted By: 83martinique
Date Posted: December-17-2018 at 8:43pm
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Starter is rebuilt and operating . Fired up as soon as I cleaned points , Next step is tear in to the Holley carb as it must have some floats stuck in place. summit had rebuild kit in stock for the carb ------------- scott G |