I already put in anti-freeze but did not drain 1st
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Topic: I already put in anti-freeze but did not drain 1st
Posted By: 2tall
Subject: I already put in anti-freeze but did not drain 1st
Date Posted: November-11-2015 at 2:51pm
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I know the winterization posts get old and there are lots on this site. but, I have a different twist... my question is I have already ran 5 gallons of antifreeze into the system, the boat was warmed up (I think about 150 degrees on t-stat or so.) .but I have been reading that maybe I should have drained the block first? I am not opposed to draining everything out of it now and then filling it back up. Is this what I should do? btw-to fill it I removed the hose that goes to the floor where the water is sucked in when it is running (maybe called raw water pump hose?) stuck it in a bucket of 5 gallons of anti-freeze and let it suck it all in. ------------- 2Tall - 1996 Ski Nautique GT-40 |
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Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: November-11-2015 at 2:58pm
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maybe? definitely! drain it and do it again. not worth the risk |
Posted By: 2tall
Date Posted: November-11-2015 at 3:01pm
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that is what I was thinking too...I was going to do it again today, just wanted someone to push me into it....so thanks ------------- 2Tall - 1996 Ski Nautique GT-40 |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: November-11-2015 at 3:21pm
JD,
You should have researched first!!  How about some pictures of the boat? ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Hollywood wrote:Posted By: 2tall
Date Posted: November-11-2015 at 3:31pm
Would have, should have....It is no big deal, just a few extra minutes spent doing things I like (messing with boats)...  ------------- 2Tall - 1996 Ski Nautique GT-40 |
Posted By: quinner
Date Posted: November-11-2015 at 3:54pm
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If you used pink RV stuff then 100% for sure drain and do again, if you used real anti-freeze it may actually be fine. Before I got in the know I always winterized exactly as you described using real anti-freeze, never had an issue, maybe I was just lucky who knows :). At this point though I would either simply drain everything or drain and suck up again. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1143" rel="nofollow - Mi Bowt |
Posted By: 2tall
Date Posted: November-11-2015 at 4:04pm
It was pink RV Marin anti-freeze -50 rating....I am 100% convinced I am going to drain it and start over. I might as well, I like doing it, and I have time to do it. It also makes me feel like I am getting ready to go boating since I am spending time with the boat. I know....we all have our ways of coping with winter  ------------- 2Tall - 1996 Ski Nautique GT-40 |
Posted By: SNobsessed
Date Posted: November-11-2015 at 4:22pm
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Just drain & save the money not replacing the pink AF. ------------- “Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.” Ben Franklin |
Posted By: 2tall
Date Posted: November-11-2015 at 8:42pm
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OK, so I went and pulled 5 drain plugs (as instructed by other posts on this site) 2 on the block, 2 on each manifold end, and 1 on the U shape hose on the front of the engine. It is a good thing I did.... 3 of the 5 plugs after I pulled them out shot out clean water.... The manifold plugs had anti-freeze in them and the other plugs did eventually turn to anti-freeze as well, but I am not going to lie to you....there was a lot of clean water coming out of there and every bit of it would have frozen solid..... So the fact that this has kept me awake the last few nights was for reason.....I needed to just drain the thing and be done with it. So I am leaving it all drained out. for the winter. I don;t think I will even put anti-freeze back into it. ------------- 2Tall - 1996 Ski Nautique GT-40 |
Posted By: SNobsessed
Date Posted: November-11-2015 at 9:26pm
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Thanks for reporting your results. Many people read these posts so you probably helped 10 lurkers.. You might also want to dump the strainer & trans cooler too. ------------- “Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.” Ben Franklin |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: November-11-2015 at 10:21pm
Yes JD, thanks. Chris, We should log JD's posts for future reference. It will come in handy to quote when other uninformed (no offence JD) just stick a hose in a bucket of antifreeze and expect it to work!  ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: SNobsessed
Date Posted: November-12-2015 at 10:18am
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Pete - I think the suck-in method was invented by the engine rebuilders association. ------------- “Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.” Ben Franklin |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: November-12-2015 at 10:21am
 ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: 70CC
Date Posted: November-12-2015 at 11:56am
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Nice looking boat from what I can tell. Is it a 97? If you have a heater, be sure to blow out the hose with compressed air while the drain plugs are removed. -Phil |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: November-12-2015 at 12:33pm
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Looks like a 96. Thanks for following up with your results... Reinforces exactly why draining is important! |
Posted By: 2tall
Date Posted: November-12-2015 at 3:13pm
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You are correct, It is a 96' I just got it 3 days ago. It is in amazing shape. I haven't even had it out yet. Just winterized it and ran it with fake a lake. The motor runs perfectly and even the bilge was clean and tidy. Bought from the original owner...he has every piece of paperwork ever done. Pretty incredible. The next 6 months will be absolute torture. I might have to drive to Arizona in March and get my ski on... ------------- 2Tall - 1996 Ski Nautique GT-40 |
Posted By: wataugasn84
Date Posted: November-13-2015 at 3:12pm
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Wow that is a nice looking boat!! I would like to trade up for one just like that. You are going to have a long winter waiting on spring in Montana of all places. I hope someone keeps a lot of warm water posts and video on this site. ------------- Watuugasn84 |
Posted By: Strega51
Date Posted: November-14-2015 at 8:23pm
| Wow nice!! Your lucky. I also just bought a 96 and it was a complete nightmare. My fault for Buying long distance and trusting the previous owner. How much did you spend if you don't mind? |
Posted By: 2001SAN
Date Posted: November-15-2015 at 7:03am
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I drained my engine, like I do every year, but this year I added antifreeze to the block by pouring through the t-stat housing. As the engine was cold it took a while to fill but did eventually. I then pulled each block plug out to ensure all was well and in both cases some clear water shot out first before seeing the antifreeze! I was surprised to see this as I always drain the engine at the marina and tow the boat home (6miles, plenty of hills and bumpy roads) with the plugs out to ensure all residual water has been purged. Also, I always probe the holes for crud as well. Just goes to show you? D. ------------- A little knowledge is a dangerous thing... 2001 Super Air Nautique 1989 Fairline Corniche 31 www.bannrivercruises.co.uk |
Posted By: Sampson 182
Date Posted: November-22-2015 at 12:39pm
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Thread was a huge help!!!! I drained 2 block plugs, both manifold plugs but didn't do the one under the RWP on the U. I put 5 gallons of concentrated antifreeze (not 50/50 blend, not pink RV) in a bucket sucked up through the RWP . Just for curiosity I went back and pulled the 2 block plugs just to peak and antifreeze came out no water I quickly screwed them back in. Should I check the other 3 to see if they have antifreeze or do you think by draining everything first I am ok? Oh and I hooked it all back up and drained the strainer. NC winters aren't like those up North or those Midwest type of stuff but we see some single digits every now and again. I thought by using the concentrate if there was any residual water left it would mix and not be too diluted. ------------- 1987 Ski Nautique 2001 |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: November-22-2015 at 1:15pm
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Don, Since you used the more difficult suck up instead of the simple pour in method and didn't drain the J tube, I'd suggest opening up the other drains and take a look just to be safe. Don't worry if you loose some anti since it's really the low points that you are going after. Out of curiosity and if you have the tester, get the freeze protection level you ended up with and post it. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: Sampson 182
Date Posted: November-22-2015 at 5:52pm
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OK Pete I will but it will have to be tomorrow though. I have an antifreeze tester with the squeeze bulb on top will that work and where should I check it at? And I will unscrew the manifold plugs at the rear and the J-tube at the bottom to see antifreeze for myself. My previous boats I have always undone the upper water pump hose(Moomba 350 Indmar) and just poured it in like you said but I seen a lot of posts on here about the bucket method and thought that would get the motor , water manifolds and RWP all in one.. ------------- 1987 Ski Nautique 2001 |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: November-22-2015 at 6:14pm
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Don, I've mentioned it several times that all I ever put in an engine is 1 gal. Many try to fill up the engine and all I suggest and do is get the low spots. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: Tim D
Date Posted: November-22-2015 at 8:24pm
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Single digits, when was that? ------------- Tim D |
Posted By: Sampson 182
Date Posted: November-22-2015 at 8:50pm
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Tim D about 4 years ago we had a real solid freeze with snow around January. I know cause with my job temps in that range make it very difficult for us to do things and I remember being at work all day and all nite with a kerosene blast heater keeping the water equipment from freezing. ------------- 1987 Ski Nautique 2001 |
Posted By: Tim D
Date Posted: November-22-2015 at 10:19pm
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I'm between White Lake and Lake Waccamaw, down here I think it hit 18. ------------- Tim D |
Posted By: Sampson 182
Date Posted: November-22-2015 at 10:36pm
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TIM D , I am very familiar with the Columbus county areas ,but here in Sampson county I spent all nite trying to keep the water moving in our facility. When we opened the bay door for around 3 to 4 min the water inside the bay would freeze solid in that short of length of time. not to mention the outside equipment that uses 3 and 4 inch lines froze solid with 1 1/2 inch of foam insulation wrapped around them with heat lamps and heat tape placed on the pipes at different points around the area. at 1:00 AM that nite on my apple I-Phone 4 s. said it was at 9 degrees. TRUST ME I LOOKED! it was nasty cold!! ------------- 1987 Ski Nautique 2001 |
Posted By: quinner
Date Posted: November-23-2015 at 10:07am
Holy cow Pete, loosen up the turtleneck, lol. I am curious, explain to me how the suck up method is so much more difficult? ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1143" rel="nofollow - Mi Bowt |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: November-23-2015 at 12:24pm
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Chris, I will admit that the suck up method is only slightly harder but in my opinion not as convenient. The other factor is as you know, I'm very "old school" plus the pour in is by the old school manuals!! With the suck through, you need the bucket, in most cases an extra length of hose and sometimes a coupling to attach the hose depending on where you connect the hose. Then there's the 5 gallons typically needed whereas the pour in only needs 1 gallon. I also like to fog before shutting down the engine for the drain/fill but once again, I'm old school on this one and doesn't apply to EFI engines. Since you remove spark plugs to fog them, fogging can be done after the drain/fill. BTW, I'm not the only member here that feels the pour in is quicker and easier.  ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: skutsch
Date Posted: December-02-2015 at 2:48am
A Phil sighting!!! How is the Gen1 coming along (Sorry for the threadjack) ------------- Our http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4669" rel="nofollow - 98 Sport Nautique My Dad's 63 Ski N |
Posted By: 70CC
Date Posted: December-02-2015 at 4:57pm
| Pretty slow, still waiting for motor to be completed, then things will start coming together. |
Posted By: Sampson 182
Date Posted: December-30-2015 at 9:31pm
 Luckily we live in the south and we rode our boat on DEC 27 so I rewinterized our boat afterward. so I drained all 5 drains, then did the bucket method to suck up 5 gallons of concentrated antifreeze. so we are good for the winter...(YOU GOTTA LOVE THE SOUTH AND WHITE LAKE NC!!!)... If we actually have a winter this this year!!!???? LOL!!!! !!!! ------------- 1987 Ski Nautique 2001 |
Posted By: Sampson 182
Date Posted: December-30-2015 at 9:41pm
 Teach them right!!! That's my opinion. P.S. Don't worry I was close by just in case things got wild LOL!!!!! She was driving like a champ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ------------- 1987 Ski Nautique 2001 |
Posted By: 74Wind
Date Posted: December-30-2015 at 11:29pm
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Great photos. Winter in the south? Not yet.......rain in South AtLanta has been just rediculous lately...I look out the window fully expecting to see amazon tribesmen padding dugouts across what was formerly my front lawn..... ------------- 1974 Southwind 18 1975 Century Mark II |
Posted By: Sampson 182
Date Posted: December-30-2015 at 11:46pm
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Jeff (74 Wind) Here in southeastern NC it was 78 degrees this SUNDAY and my wife said "hey lets take the boat out" So we hooked her up pulled her down to White Lake NC(only 20 minutes) and rode for a good 2 hrs. No one out on the lake just us. We drove around for so long we almost gave out of gas.LOL!!! The kids wanted to ski but we didn't get the wetsuits out it was a last minute trip. BUT MAN WAS IT SWEET TO TAKE HER OUT THREE DAYS AFTER X-MAS Quite a treet for us here in NC !!!!!!!! We are expecting near below freezing temps this weekend so I took the ole bucket and 9/16 wrech to get her straight for the weekend. ------------- 1987 Ski Nautique 2001 |
Posted By: 74Wind
Date Posted: December-31-2015 at 12:37am
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Yep 70's here too but rain rain a crying shame.....haven't been over to my boat lake as am sure it's awful, but to put it in perspective there is a little lake 5 minute walk from our house...they drained it for dredging almost a year ago (leaving a dozen or so CC's & MC's hanging high and dry) with no end in sight (bureaucracy in slow motion as always) has rained so much the drained lake completely filled/flooded and overran the dam........if my boat had been hanging for so long a hundred yards at least or more from the water I would have taken this opportunity to paddle it to the ramp or do anything to get it the hell out of there and onto a trailer but surprisingly not one of them moved.... ....once it stops and they drain it again these poor saps will be hanging again over the dirt forever till they finish dredging. ....crazy. ------------- 1974 Southwind 18 1975 Century Mark II |