1990 Sport Nautique back bench?/ Good boat?
Printed From: CorrectCraftFan.com
Category: General Correct Craft Discussion
Forum Name: General Discussion
Forum Discription: Anything Correct Craft
URL: http://www.CorrectCraftFan.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=37261
Printed Date: May-03-2024 at 2:10pm
Topic: 1990 Sport Nautique back bench?/ Good boat?
Posted By: kbpgh
Subject: 1990 Sport Nautique back bench?/ Good boat?
Date Posted: September-02-2015 at 11:02pm
|
We are going to look at a 1990 Sport Nautique tomorrow and I cannot tell by the pictures if there is a back bench seat. Can a knowledgeable nautique person let me know and is this boat a good starter ski boat for a family. We need the HP to pull my large husband out of the water and we want the boom to teach the kiddos! Is 1100 hours reasonable for this boat? Thanks KB Pgh |
Replies:
Posted By: desertskier
Date Posted: September-03-2015 at 1:28am
|
http://pittsburgh.craigslist.org/bod/5197570011.html" rel="nofollow - Is this it? Looks like there is a towel or something across the backseat but yes it has one. 1100 Hours is not bad depending on how it has been maintained. Reading some of the stories on this forum lately I suggest having a compression check done. |
Posted By: Bri892001
Date Posted: September-03-2015 at 1:48am
| It would be a good starter ski boat for sure. The main thing to watch for is that is a wood stringer boat, so you would want to check that the stringers are solid. |
Posted By: desertskier
Date Posted: September-03-2015 at 1:59am
| One of the pictures in the listing that I linked to looks like there is water in the bilge. Hard to tell but if has been stored with the plug in then it could have filled with water. Not a good sign in regards to stringer condition. |
Posted By: Smithfamily
Date Posted: September-03-2015 at 7:36am
Agree. In my opinion the price is too high also. But if all checks out, make an offer? End of the season. There was a 94 here in Orlando listed on Craigslist for $6995.with 450 hours. Our Ski Nautique was one of the best Family investments of all time! Good Luck with your search, I think you will agree. ------------- Js |
Bri892001 wrote:Posted By: JPASS
Date Posted: September-03-2015 at 8:32am
|
Price is definitely high considering it's appearance. Wood stringers are definitely a concern. I believe '92 was the final year for wooden stringers. 1100 hours isn't bad if the preventative maintenance was done on a regular basis, but I would definitely have a shop go over the boat for good measure. ------------- '92 Correctcraft Ski Nautique |
Posted By: 74Wind
Date Posted: September-03-2015 at 9:17am
|
There are some Pittsburgh CCFans, maybe one of them could go look at it with you, another set of knowledgeable eyes can always help. ------------- 1974 Southwind 18 1975 Century Mark II |
Posted By: kbpgh
Date Posted: September-03-2015 at 10:16am
|
Thank you all, yes that is the one. I can't tell from that picture about the water, we will see. The guy that owns the marina is the seller for one of his lake customers. He's really nice. I'm not knowledgeable about stringers. I need to read up. Anyone know the Pittsburgh cc fans? I'd like to write to them. How is a compression check done? Driving out there at 11 am today EST 1 hour drive. Anyone available by phone ? Thanks, Katie |
Posted By: kbpgh
Date Posted: September-03-2015 at 10:18am
| ps. Yes if we are liking the boat, we intend to offer him much less. Nada says 7K with trailer which is only 3 years old apparently. |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: September-03-2015 at 10:51am
|
It's overall pretty dirty and the vinyl is well worn (back bench probably trashed). Gel could use a buff and fresh decals. Rode hard and put away wet. Probably plenty of corrosion in engine bay and behind dashboard (electrical gremlins). Any fiberglass repairs in the bilge or around the fins, strut and prop underneath? You could do much better with $7,000. Then again it might run fabulous and give you trouble free enjoyment. Nobody knows. |
Posted By: Morfoot
Date Posted: September-03-2015 at 11:16am
|
Welcome to the site Katie and you've come to the right place to find answers to your questions about purchasing a new to you Correct Craft. Stringers are the primary sunpport structure of the boat or basically the same thing as a LOAD bearing wall in your house. CC's used Fir wood to make the stringers up until the end of 1992......1993 is when Correct Craft went to an all composite system. Fir wood is strong but the downside is that wood ROTS! Most boats are left outside to the elements "Because its just a boat" and water will eventually find its way to wood and start the rot process. The water sitting in the bilge of that boat for however long is a concern for just that reason. Check out the http://www.correctcraftfan.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=27356&PN=1&title=ccf-faq" rel="nofollow - CCF FAQ thread for answers and tons of information on what to look for. The Stringer Inspection link is a video I threw together a few years ago to help you inspect the stringers. Tons of great info in that thread for pre buying and general questions that are asked over and over again to those who are new here and are trying to educate themself. The more you know the better off you are as a buyer and can use the knowledge learned here to talk down a seller if you find a things wrong with the boat that they don't know. Welcome to CCFan and keep us in the loop. ------------- "Morfoot; He can ski. He can wakeboard.He can cook chicken.He can create his own self-named beverage, & can also apparently fly. A man of many talents."72 Mustang "Kermit",88 SN Miss Scarlett, 99 SN "Sherman" |
Posted By: quinner
Date Posted: September-03-2015 at 11:25am
| Timbob, edit your 1994 to 1992, 93' first year of composite except maybe the Excel's |
Posted By: kbpgh
Date Posted: September-03-2015 at 11:31am
| Hi again! Wow I wish I had joined this forum a lot sooner! you guys are awesome!!! Going to watch your video now! :) THANK YOU! I will stay active here!! |
Posted By: Morfoot
Date Posted: September-03-2015 at 12:03pm
Oooooop  . Typo... guess I shoulda had on my reading glasses...... Thanks for catching the Boo Boo!------------- "Morfoot; He can ski. He can wakeboard.He can cook chicken.He can create his own self-named beverage, & can also apparently fly. A man of many talents."72 Mustang "Kermit",88 SN Miss Scarlett, 99 SN "Sherman" |
Posted By: M3Fan
Date Posted: September-03-2015 at 1:20pm
|
I think a compression check is a little much for a boat in this price range, but that's just me. An interior costs more than a long block, after all. So does a new trailer. It's not like these boats have $20K outboards on them. Interior condition is my #1 priority, followed by exterior condition, trailer condition. If the boat idles and pulls hard I'm not going to expect the owner to have me towing it to a shop to be inspected, having some unknown wrench monkeys crawling all over it. I know as a seller I'd move on to a more reasonable buyer. ------------- 2000 SN GT40 w/99 Graphics/Gel 2016 SN 200 OB 5.3L DI https://forum.fifteenoff.com |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: September-03-2015 at 1:40pm
|
Yeah right, Joel! Compression testing a $10k sport nautique seems reasonable to me. (You did it for me on the '90, remember?) A test drive with acceptable performance would be sufficient as well. I agree with most who say this is a 5-7k boat at best. The early sports were not highly sought after compared to the '93+ models. Still a perfectly acceptable ski boat but it's not in high demand. |
Posted By: gun-driver
Date Posted: September-03-2015 at 1:45pm
|
From the looks of the interior and exterior I'd start in the low 6's. Doesn't look like the proper trailer for an inboard no guide poles to start. Buyers market now since the seasons just about over |
Posted By: quinner
Date Posted: September-03-2015 at 2:04pm
| If it runs and drives well, 5k is what I would pay, and only because it is/was Blue |
Posted By: gun-driver
Date Posted: September-03-2015 at 7:59pm
|
KB How did the test drive go??? |
Posted By: M3Fan
Date Posted: September-03-2015 at 9:55pm
I did a lot of stuff 13 years ago that I would not do now. History shows that the money in a boat like that goes to upholstery and other non-engine stuff. Do keep in mind everyone that a new Ram-Lin single axle will get you into the 4K zone and any 25 year old CC trailer is at the EOL stage. Also IIRC I did the compression check out of my own curiosity and just happened to have the numbers on hand. 10K boat? Please. Common sense should be all that is required on the test drive, and I'd say the same thing for a 50K boat. I bought my 93 without even a test drive for an undisclosed, nontrivial amount. Again, common sense goes a long way. Edit: I'd do the compression check on a rare engine that actually costs 10K to rebuild. Maybe a BMW S38 or S14 motor or a Ferrari, etc. SBF in a boat? Forget about it. ------------- 2000 SN GT40 w/99 Graphics/Gel 2016 SN 200 OB 5.3L DI https://forum.fifteenoff.com |
Posted By: gun-driver
Date Posted: September-03-2015 at 10:33pm
|
Joel as I don't totally disagree I have to say that for some of us a 10k investment in a toy is a BIG investment. If a first time buyer doesn't know how a boat should perform then the test drive may feel like it is all that and a bag of chips only to find out that it's only performing to half its potential and 6 months later you have to drop another 5 k into a motor job. There's a lot of people don't have the ability or know how to yank a motor and are now at the mercy of a marina to do the work $$$$ So being cautious is not that far fetched of an idea. |
Posted By: 74Wind
Date Posted: September-03-2015 at 10:52pm
Maybe I'm missing something. I suppose I'd let a potential buyer who seemed to know what he was doing, and had the equipment to do so, do a compression test on site, but no way would I let a complete stranger, with unknown trailering skills, haul my boat off to some unknown so-called mechanic to monkey with my boat. Sometimes you just gotta trust your ears. I bought my SW, 35 years old at the time, now 41 years old, based on a less-than 5 minute start on a crappy leaking fake-a-lake my wife was underneath trying to keep tight. 6 years later, barring a few very minor issues, it has done just fine (knock on wood). That being said, if I ever sell it, I'm an honest and fair guy. Feel free to bring all the tools and gadgets you want, but leave your trailer ball behind unless you're gonna buy it...  ------------- 1974 Southwind 18 1975 Century Mark II |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: September-04-2015 at 10:04am
|
It is never out of the question to compression test an engine of any age of any price if it is advertised as running properly. I compression test $400 outboard motors before purchase! It's non-invasive, not sure what the issue is. $10k is a bigger boat purchase than I've ever made as well. Also disagree with the trailer comment but I'll leave that one alone for now. |
Posted By: 74Wind
Date Posted: September-04-2015 at 10:22am
|
To clarify, like I said, i would never deny a compression test on site. I would also be more than glad to go with a potential buyer to get tested and inspected at the mechanic of his choice, assuming it is within reasonable distance. What I meant was I wouldn't let a stranger haul it off by himself to some unknown place, that's all. ------------- 1974 Southwind 18 1975 Century Mark II |
Posted By: kbpgh
Date Posted: September-04-2015 at 10:24am
|
Hi all - Well went and tested the 90 Sport and although my eyes/or small computer screen didn't show the crappy interior as well as you all saw, you were totally right, it was in sad shape, mold stains, etc. We knew right off the bat. The engine ran strong and sounded great but.....the dials and needles didn't work, the hour dial read 627 but they had told me 1100 and so really they had no clue, the boat veered hard left so rudder bent or something nasty, water under engine. Bilge pump sounded helpless. He would only comedown to $8,500 and only knew boats history last 3 years so we said thanks but no thanks and are revisiting the idea of another boat out of state....lemme tell you about that one..... It's not a sport. It's a 90 Ski closed bow. It's original owner. Plaque on front even has his name. Lived at same lake since purchase. On lift and garaged whole life. Needs new carb probably but still runs great. He took us out on it a couple of weeks ago while we were on vacation. A little surging on low speed, but he was getting that looked at. Interior pristine. Dials and needles all work. 725 hours, which is quite low, yes? He sold his lake home and done boating for a while. Divorce we think. He started at 10.5K. got him to 9K. Comes with original trailer but trailer not titled which is problematic in PA, paperwork hoops galore. But can be done, eventually. Not sure lights work on trailer, also. small stuff. Anything wrong with boat can be fixed. Called him last night and now he says 7K cause he knows we didn't want to go that far and also didn't want to fuss with the trailer hassle. We really like the boat. Wanted open bow but I think for this boat who cares!! Oh and he's throwing in Extender (tall) boom, side boom, tubes, skis, wakeboards, ropes, life jackets, etc. He wants green cash only. Not cashiers check. That normal? But he will sign bill of sale/ and title of course. |
Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: September-04-2015 at 10:30am
|
I would not just let anyone who responded to an ad start pulling my engine apart. Want a compression test? Your welcome to watch while I do it----- ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1711&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970" rel="nofollow - 69 Mustang HM SS 95 Nautique Super Sport |
Posted By: kbpgh
Date Posted: September-04-2015 at 10:32am
And ps glad that 10K is trivial to some of you, lucky you!!! But it isn't to us! :)
|
Posted By: scootdogydog
Date Posted: September-04-2015 at 10:48am
|
do you have pictures? In my opinion, a 1990 SNCB at 7k is a little pricey at this time of the year. I think you can find a 1993 for that price if you're willing to wait a little...deals will come up, that's for sure. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=7183" rel="nofollow - 1999 Python 1980 Ski Tique 1968 Mustang WIP |
Posted By: JoeinNY
Date Posted: September-04-2015 at 10:52am
Yes it is relatively normal... I have never paid for or sold a used boat or car with anything other than cash. Whether he doesn't trust the check or whether he is not going to report the whole price to the wife, government, whatnot... its typical. You need to know what sort of bill of sale you will need to register where you are, if its a dmv form that you both need to sign to cover the sales tax requirements better to bring it with you than try to track him down later. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1477 - 1983 Ski Nautique 2001 1967 Mustang 302 "Decoy" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO5MkcBXBBs - Holeshot Video |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: September-04-2015 at 11:18am
|
Agree with Joe, cash is normal. Disagree with scoot that $7k is high for a pristine NWZ, that's a pretty good price. You just sold your 2001 for more than that man, get with it! Personally, I think open bow inboards are overrated, at least until you get into something the size of a '93+ sport or '03+ 206. The closed bow 19' boats offer much more usable interiors and storage. |
Posted By: scootdogydog
Date Posted: September-04-2015 at 11:44am
for a pristine NWZ, I agree. But, you can also find a '93 SNCB for about the same price with a little patience (being the end of the ski season for most people) if you ignore the tower and the far drive from PA, here's one: http://valdosta.craigslist.org/boa/5127643713.html" rel="nofollow - 1993 SNCB 6.5k and yes, April/May sales usually dictate a different price than September sales (use vs winterize/store) ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=7183" rel="nofollow - 1999 Python 1980 Ski Tique 1968 Mustang WIP |
Posted By: C-Bass
Date Posted: September-04-2015 at 11:54am
And extremely dangerous  ------------- Craig 67 SN 73 SN http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=6103" rel="nofollow - 99 Sport 85SN |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: September-04-2015 at 12:03pm
| There's nothing about that Georgia ad that makes me think that boat is in pristine shape... And you're talking 2 very different geographic areas that value closed bow inboards very differently. Spring vs fall will certainly impact demand and therefore price, but not by thousands of dollars on a sub-10k boat. $7k is a very good price on a pristine NWZ, even an early non-composite one, regardless of time of year. Sub-$7k for a '93 is also not typical, at least for a nice example. $8-9k for a very nice 90-93 is about where the market is right now, adjust for time of year and region from there. |
Posted By: quinner
Date Posted: September-04-2015 at 12:15pm
|
yummy yummy, more Timmy Kool-Aide plz, lmao Just don't see a 90-92 being worth that much, also feel 7k is a bit high. JPass just sold at 6k as one example |
Posted By: JoeinNY
Date Posted: September-04-2015 at 12:36pm
|
JPass traded in a high hour boat with some gel cote issues for 6k - that is not the same scenario as selling a pristine boat. 7k is certainly not an out of the line price.. I would bet more are selling for 10k than 6k at this point ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1477 - 1983 Ski Nautique 2001 1967 Mustang 302 "Decoy" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO5MkcBXBBs - Holeshot Video |
Posted By: scootdogydog
Date Posted: September-04-2015 at 12:48pm
|
can you find a 1993(composite) for around 7k -- yes. will it be as pristine as a 1990-1992(non-composite) -- in most cases no. It's all about what's important to you. If you don't want to worry about wooden stringers, which hopefully would be okay in a pristine 1990 boat, then add a 1993 into your options. Might there be some (hopefully minor) issues with a 1993? Likely. Do you care about it being original, or a little dirty. A little bit of elbow grease might steer you towards a 1993. Judging by your consideration of the less than pristine sport, a 1993 doesn't seem out of question, even being a little less than pristine ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=7183" rel="nofollow - 1999 Python 1980 Ski Tique 1968 Mustang WIP |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: September-04-2015 at 1:11pm
Exactly. I have not dog in this fight as I am neither a buyer nor seller of such a boat. Just telling you what the market thinks they're worth, as I pay attention. Ask Joel if you want a more generous evaluation of NWZ's, ha. You can certainly find some for $5-6k but they're not very nice. No offense to JPASS but that's the category his boat falls into, IMHO. And yes, you can find '93's for $7k too, but again, not pristine ones. I understand that composite drives some additional value but think that's somewhat overrated... Plenty of perfectly solid 90-92 boats out there and it's not hard to spot them. |
Posted By: scootdogydog
Date Posted: September-04-2015 at 1:25pm
|
JPASS traded his boat in to a dealer, right? So they'd hope to make a profit from that point, putting the value of his boat greater than 6k. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=7183" rel="nofollow - 1999 Python 1980 Ski Tique 1968 Mustang WIP |
Posted By: gun-driver
Date Posted: September-04-2015 at 1:55pm
|
KB I think what would help is to know what your budget is and how you plan to use the boat. Do you want to just ski or are you wakeboarders? How many in your family? Do you plan to trailer it or do you have a slip some where? Is this a starter boat and plan on upgrading in the foreseeable future or do you want the boat for the long term? I think with these questions answered the Correct Craft kool-aide drinkers on here can find you a nice boat in your price range. |
Posted By: M3Fan
Date Posted: September-04-2015 at 2:01pm
|
NWZ value, this is a fun game/topic. In my search there were generally two kinds of these boats: 1. Sub-10K but with issues/molestation from various idiots owning them over the years, of serially descending means to keep up with the boat and serially less and less good taste. Cheesy non-factory interior replacement was rampant, as was beat up interiors. Goofy trailers. Non-factory gauges or steering wheels, etc. Heavily oxidized gel. Missing back seats. Terrible aftermarket car stereo hack jobs with stuff like 6x9 speakers cut into the observer seat, as well as other hacked in electronics BS. Chunks out of the gel from bad loading/unloading. Faded gauges and dash components. Totally missing decals or even worse, goofball sign-shop decals attempting to make the boat look newer or whatever. Towers, racks, drill holes in the deck from who knows what. Horrible. All that type of stuff. 2. Original owner or nearly original owner, enthusiast owned really really really nice boats for 10K and over. I almost popped on a 1990, black and red, absolutely pristine. I think I had them at 9500 or so, firm. It was worth it. The 93 I bought was worth what I paid, they were asking 13,500 and were fairly firm. The other 93 I was looking at also seemed immaculate and fell into this category. ------------- 2000 SN GT40 w/99 Graphics/Gel 2016 SN 200 OB 5.3L DI https://forum.fifteenoff.com |
Posted By: JPASS
Date Posted: September-04-2015 at 3:14pm
I just checked the dealer site to see if they have it listed, but they don't as of yet. I'll bet they'll ask between $7000 - 7500 for it. Mechanically she's in excellent condition. The only issues being the cracked gel in upper deck and non-original trailer. The interior was immaculate and needed absolutely nothing. ------------- '92 Correctcraft Ski Nautique |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: September-04-2015 at 3:32pm
| Most dealers [start] at MUCH higher margins on trade in boats, as I have seen. Wouldn't expect to see a $12k price tag on it. |
Posted By: kbpgh
Date Posted: September-04-2015 at 5:26pm
| Well all - we are buying the 90 ski nautique orignial owner tomorrow for 7K - I will post PIX!!! it runs really nicely we drove it ( this is not the nasty 90 sport we drove yesterday!) and he's adding at least 1500 dollars of extras in - skis, wakeboards, ropes, jackets, 2 booms, etc, original trailer barely used new tires garaged - it lived on same lake for 25 years on lift or garaged - pristine interior w only tiny rip on back bench. my husband has masters degree in mechanical engineering and has taken many cars apart and put them back together and his dad and uncle have rebuilt boats and although they dont' live near us with their guidance and YOUR help we think we can handle this even tho we are newbies! our kids are 8 and 12 and ready to learn how to wakeboard a bit and ski a bit and we are ready to rekindle our skills. Happy to be a new member of this forum and so grateful for all of the wonderful feedback! let's keep it positive!! I don't like the nastiness!! :)))))) I appreciate constructive criticism but hey, keep it cool!! We are excited and realistic. |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: September-04-2015 at 7:05pm
| No tubing |
Posted By: scootdogydog
Date Posted: September-04-2015 at 8:15pm
|
If you think trbenj and I are nasty to each other online, wait till you see us in person, fist fights all the time, ha. We're cousins. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=7183" rel="nofollow - 1999 Python 1980 Ski Tique 1968 Mustang WIP |
Posted By: JPASS
Date Posted: September-04-2015 at 8:43pm
Congrats on the new boat  ------------- '92 Correctcraft Ski Nautique |
Posted By: gun-driver
Date Posted: September-04-2015 at 9:00pm
| Where in the 'burgh are you, I'm just outside Cranberry. |
Posted By: Donald80SN
Date Posted: September-05-2015 at 1:30am
|
Kbpgh, I hope you and your family enjoy the new boat. All of the guys who posted on this thread are like brothers to each other and were just picking with each other for fun. They would do anything, and have already in most cases, to help each other out when needed. However, they sure love to bust one each other when a chance comes up. It is what makes life fun. These guys will provide you a ton of help if you hang around. Donald ------------- 1980 Ski Nautique SOLD Back to Cypress Gardens 2002 Sport Nautique, GT-40, FCT2, Cover Sports, Tower Bimini, Inc., Wet Sounds Audio System, Star Gazer Wake Edition S. 1968 Ski Nautique, Project. |
Posted By: Smithfamily
Date Posted: September-05-2015 at 8:27am
That's a fact, Katie. Welcome to the family. Best wishes with the new addition! Whats are the colors? Look forward to seeing pictures, and hopefully meeting you and yours one day. ------------- Js |
Posted By: KRoundy
Date Posted: September-05-2015 at 1:12pm
|
Welcome to the club! Our bark is truly worse than our bite. ------------- Previous: 1993 Electric Blue/Charcoal Ski Nautique Current: 2016 Ski Nautique 200 Open Bow |