Ford F150 vs F250
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Topic: Ford F150 vs F250
Posted By: Nautique2001
Subject: Ford F150 vs F250
Date Posted: January-26-2015 at 3:08pm
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Question for all those who know about Ford trucks. I currently own a 2012 F150 with Ecoboost. I'm considering getting another truck. Started looking at the Ford F250 with 6.7 turbo diesel engine, 440 hp and 800 torque. Is that a huge service nightmare or should I stick with the Ecoboost? Ken ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1052&sort=&pagenum=4&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - Nautique 2001 |
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Posted By: Orlando76
Date Posted: January-26-2015 at 3:26pm
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Does the Ecoboost do the job? |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: January-26-2015 at 3:39pm
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There isn't a penis extender out there big enough for Ken. ------------- |
Posted By: hotboat
Date Posted: January-26-2015 at 3:53pm
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As cheap as gas is right now would a diesel make sense? ------------- Brian |
Posted By: MrMcD
Date Posted: January-26-2015 at 3:55pm
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From the tests I have read the V8 offered in the F150 gets the same mileage and similar power to the ecoboost with a far less complicated design. My buddy bought the new ecoboost in a 4 door long bed 4x4 F150 and gets 13 in town and 16 on the freeway at 75 mph. My 5.3L Tahoe with 4.11 gears gets that also. I am not impressed with the Eco boost. My company car is the Ford Fusion with a 3.0L V6, 240 HP, I get 27 MPG at 75 on the hwy. My co worker has the newer Ecoboost version with a 4 cyl and 240 HP he gets 25 MPG on the same trips. Explain where we get the Eco out of these turbo engines. My experience, if you have 300 HP your mileage will be similar to other 300 HP engines, boosted or not. You have to burn fuel to make Horse Power. The new Diesel's are a beast, huge power and great economy. Unless you are towing 15,000 pounds don't choose the 4.10 gear ratio, go for 3.55 or lower. You have so much power you will never run short but you will get far better MPG with the lower axle ratio's like 3.55. |
Posted By: quinner
Date Posted: January-26-2015 at 4:17pm
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99' Ski with a single axle trailer, you are definitely going to want at least an F450 dually w/Diesel. |
Posted By: Nautique2001
Date Posted: January-26-2015 at 4:58pm
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The extra power is definitely needed and welcomed with the pitch ramp I'm dealing with. The turbos spool up big time trying to yank my boat out. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1052&sort=&pagenum=4&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - Nautique 2001 |
Posted By: phatsat67
Date Posted: January-26-2015 at 4:58pm
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I understand the EB has all sorts of low end power on tap but from what I have seen the fuel economy is less than most of its V8 competitors in real world numbers. It is marketed as an ECOnomic engine when in reality it isn't at all. They have always confused me with this nomenclature. Usually towing it returns far less economy than its V8 competitors. That said, Do you just have an urge to spend a ton of cash? Unless you are making regular trips over the continental divide in the rocky mountains I can't imagine you'd need any more truck or power than that F150 is providing currently? ------------- |
Posted By: Nautique2001
Date Posted: January-26-2015 at 5:00pm
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HW, when are you going to purchase a real tow vehicle? You still pimpn in your grand papa mobile? ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1052&sort=&pagenum=4&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - Nautique 2001 |
Posted By: phatsat67
Date Posted: January-26-2015 at 5:02pm
Dented quarter panel and all!! He's a real pimp ask Jackie  ------------- |
Nautique2001 wrote:Posted By: Nautique2001
Date Posted: January-26-2015 at 5:05pm
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Thinking the turbo diesel will be more cost effective overall. I just don't want to pour a ton of cash into maintaining a twin turbo EB where I might be better off with a durable turbo diesel with less maintenance. The torque will be significantly better too. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1052&sort=&pagenum=4&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - Nautique 2001 |
Posted By: CrazyCanuck
Date Posted: January-26-2015 at 5:09pm
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I don't get why people buy diesels now, at least in Canada anyway. The fuel costs about 10 % more, and I don't think you get that return in economy. Oil changes cost more, and you don't have the top end power. Of course they last forever, and have great low end, but I prefer gas power all day long. As for a truck, I am a chevy guy, so I can't comment on the New fords. My 2002 chev express van has the vortec 350 and 3.73 gears. It is awesome on the hwy, and great on hills/mountain passes. Pulls the boat fine too and its only 240 hp. I get 13 city and maybe 15/16 hwy. Crappy yes, but it weighs 5000lbs..... ------------- https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRtW3vJrMHLdqBzndt9VX3oOpBuRopGlzKq9Ea7pAO7wnTuoD8E8g |
Posted By: Treybizttu
Date Posted: January-26-2015 at 5:11pm
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What else do you do with the truck??? Reason I ask: I have a 1/2 ton chevy right now that I tow for work and leisure constantly. It certainly doesn't tow as well as my diesel 3/4s have in the past but It also doesn't suck near as much to drive daily as those did either. I drive about 100 miles a day on average, have to park in tight downtown spaces for work fairly often, and spend lots of time on construction sites. |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: January-26-2015 at 5:11pm
Chris, I feel your recommendation is on the light side. Maybe this would be better. It's even a crew cab.  ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: Nautique2001
Date Posted: January-26-2015 at 5:16pm
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One could argue, why get the 454 in the BFN when you could settle for the 351? Does the 454 perform better and less stressed under load? Same thought process with a truck. No load versus feeling a load. Just a thought. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1052&sort=&pagenum=4&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - Nautique 2001 |
Posted By: phatsat67
Date Posted: January-26-2015 at 5:19pm
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I dont believe a diesel makes sense at all in the current fuel market (who knows when it will change again). If its maintenance you want to stay away from I would just pick up a new 5.0 half ton. As stated above, with a diesel there is a lot more oil and more expensive filters. Fuel filters you don't need on a gas rig, sub par fuel economy numbers because of the wonderful EPA coupled with much higher fuel costs now makes it look like a sure loser on paper plus the added up front cost of the purchase. Now, if money was no option I would be zinging along every day in a new Cummmins Ram but if were talking sense a gas rig makes all the sense in the world now with the EPA killing diesel fuel economy, and spurring the new technology and economy of gas rig trucks. Also, diesel trucks last a huge amount of time but lets face it. The rest of the vehicle outside of the drive line is no better than a gas rig truck. I fully expect modern well cared for gas rigs to reach around a 300,000 mile number before they become mostly worn out but who cares at that point. The diesel body an electrical system will be in the same condition as the gas rig. ------------- |
Posted By: Dreaming
Date Posted: January-26-2015 at 5:19pm
| I have a 7.3l f250. Prior to all the emissions regulations etc... my truck gets about 16mpg. diesel is more expensive than gas here in WA, and may be other places as well, but I do like the towing capacity, and the longevity of diesel. I have read on forums that the economy of the newer diesels is just not as good as the older pre-emissions stuff, so be prepared for 12-14mpg. If I were buying new, it would be hard to justify the diesel from a cost standpoint, but I like the TD for the power/towing comfort. |
Posted By: Nautique2001
Date Posted: January-26-2015 at 5:23pm
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Good points, Zach. The question remains, will a 6.7 diesel outlast the 3.5 Ecoboost? If we're talking about overall maintenance bills, my guess is the diesel will be more cost effective over time. You can squeeze more miles out of a Diesel engine than gas engine. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1052&sort=&pagenum=4&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - Nautique 2001 |
Posted By: Treybizttu
Date Posted: January-26-2015 at 5:25pm
Tell that to my well maintained and nicely driven 6.0 ford that scattered itself all over texas before 60k miles. |
Posted By: phatsat67
Date Posted: January-26-2015 at 5:26pm
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True, but will it cost you the 6000+ worth of price tag for the diesel option not to mention the extra cost to move up to the F250 platform? Probably not. I do question the longevity of the EB if towing heavily frequently VS a standard gas V8 counterpart but for the way most of us us it it shouldn't be too big of an issue unless you drive it like you're 16. I think you just want a new bigger truck ;). ------------- |
Posted By: phatsat67
Date Posted: January-26-2015 at 5:28pm
6.0 Ford diesels are irrelevant in any conversation about a reliable vehicle ha. ------------- |
Posted By: Orlando76
Date Posted: January-26-2015 at 5:28pm
| So you get a half million mile engine for an extra 25% coin overall. Problem is at 75k the door latch breaks, 130k rear end goes out, 150k mystery sound is there. 175k new tie rods, bushings etc. 250k springs sag. 255k steering column breaks. By 300k all door panels are cracked, dash is busted, ac replaced 3x, only wipers work when lights are on. But hey, engine is still strong, producing torque and getting 10% better fuel economy so you're still stuck with a jalopy truck. |
Posted By: phatsat67
Date Posted: January-26-2015 at 5:30pm
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Exactly ^^^. The way and time most of us guys will rack up 300k miles doesn't make it an extremely sensible argument IMHO. Now, if I was working the rig daily as a profit center or towing loads that a half ton simply couldn't handle it would make plenty of sense. ------------- |
Posted By: JoeinNY
Date Posted: January-26-2015 at 5:33pm
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The 3.5 ecoboost will likely last 300k, the diesel 500k... you gonna keep either one that long? An f250 is a real work truck, best for real work. If you are routinely going to plow more than a single driveway, pull 8000lb plus trailers, or throw two face cord of hardwoods back there then its a great vehicle. If you are looking for a commuter car that occasionally (once or twice a week) needs to act like a truck then the f150 is more than adequate and handles better, stops better, accelerates better, drives easier and will use a lot less gas when doing anything but towing. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1477 - 1983 Ski Nautique 2001 1967 Mustang 302 "Decoy" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO5MkcBXBBs - Holeshot Video |
Posted By: Nautique2001
Date Posted: January-26-2015 at 5:34pm
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You hit the nail on the head, Zach! I have the F150 crew cab but want a bigger and more significant truck. Looked at the F250 Lariat yesterday with turbo diesel. Think that's what I'm wanting. The F150 is nice but just want a touch bigger and more powerful. Is James still in this site? He's the Ford guy and the one who got me a discount on my current truck. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1052&sort=&pagenum=4&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - Nautique 2001 |
Posted By: Nautique2001
Date Posted: January-26-2015 at 5:39pm
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Hey Joe, my thought is with the 3.5 Ecoboost with higher compression it won't last long. It seems to be more of a performance truck versus serious tow truck. Just don't want to drop thousands into maintenance. My previous 5.4 Triton V8 seemed easier to maintain. I do miss the basic V8 engine!! ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1052&sort=&pagenum=4&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - Nautique 2001 |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: January-26-2015 at 5:46pm
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So you had a gas v8 and loved it, then got a turbo v6 gas and became worried about possible maintenance, and now looking at a turbo diesel. You make no sense. If you flat out want a bigger truck for no reason at all go get it already I just don't see your argument though. Penis extender. ------------- |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: January-26-2015 at 5:48pm
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Ken, better check the compression ratio on the diesel you're considering if that is your basis for comparison. Modern gas engines will outlive the truck they come in... Joe hit the nail on the head. You might be best suited with a new Colorado, can't imagine you're even giving that F150 much of a workout. Does Subaru still make the Brat?
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Posted By: Nautique2001
Date Posted: January-26-2015 at 5:52pm
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Diesel is different from gas, penis boy. The Diesel engine with turbo will long out last gas turbo. Get penis' off your mind and think straight! ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1052&sort=&pagenum=4&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - Nautique 2001 |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: January-26-2015 at 5:57pm
That's what I'm driving!! Almost 300,000 on the diesel but, the rest of the truck is going. The body has rusted to the point where salt spray gets inside the door panels. I need to spray grease/oil on the latch mechanisms to keep them working.------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: Nautique2001
Date Posted: January-26-2015 at 5:58pm
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Hey Tim, was thinking the 6.7 diesel is far less compression than the 3.5 twin turbo. The truck isn't an issue, as I take super good care of it. Do you think the diesel is a far more reliable engine than gas? ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1052&sort=&pagenum=4&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - Nautique 2001 |
Posted By: quinner
Date Posted: January-26-2015 at 5:59pm
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Long out last... LOL, from a guy ready to ditch a 2 yr old truck. Scratching my head as well, lol. |
Posted By: MrMcD
Date Posted: January-26-2015 at 6:00pm
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Both the Ford 6.0 Diesel and the 6.4L Diesel were company failures. The 6.7 Seems to be the real deal, so far reliable and very powerful. Ford got a black eye with the 6.0 and 6.4 and took a big swing at an upgrade with the 6.7. My Rancher buddy hauls 15-20000 pounds of cattle regularly with his and loves it. Towing he says it gets 12 MPG and driving a 800 mile trip he gets 19, going 15-85 mph across Nevada and Idaho. He says it has the power to tow a loaded cattle trailer up hill at 70 MPH no problem. The pass by his house is 7,700 ft elevation and that does not bother it either. Don't buy this expecting economy, you would never pay back the cost upgrade of Diesel over Gas. Buy one of these if you Need or Want the Power not because you think it will be economical to own. Fully loaded these are $60K plus now. The economical Diesels are on the drawing boards now, most I have seen are 3.5L to 5.0L Diesels that make 250 - 300 HP with Torque around 400 to 500 ft lbs. I think these will be the great pick up engines in the next 5 years and deliver 25-30 mpg. I saw the new Cummins 5.0L V8 at a show recently, 300 HP and 500 ft lbs, they had it in School busses. The Cummins Rep says they tried to market this engine to Dodge and they refused it so they made a deal with Nissan, should be out in their trucks this year. |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: January-26-2015 at 6:06pm
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Ken, I love you but you're being an idiot. What do the guys in your wine club have to say about this? ------------- |
Posted By: Nautique2001
Date Posted: January-26-2015 at 6:07pm
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It's the unknowns beyond the three years of owning my truck, CQ. I'm told that the Ecoboost engines have had a history of short lives. Before I become a statistic and pour money into it, I'm looking for the next best thing. I want to run it long and hard! ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1052&sort=&pagenum=4&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - Nautique 2001 |
Posted By: backfoot100
Date Posted: January-26-2015 at 6:11pm
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All good things pointed out already Ken, but I guess you really have to ask yourself how long do you really plan on keeping it? You say that longevity is a factor for the TD but I would think that unless you really plan to drive it 300K miles, why bother? Everything I hear about any new diesel based on the feds going gonzo on the emissions side of it, they aint worth the extra cost and routine maintenance required. I've heard from more than a few sources who are seasoned diesel owners say that they've even started looking for "good used" over the new ones. ------------- When people run down to the lake to see what's making that noise, you've succeeded. Eddie |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: January-26-2015 at 6:27pm
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Ken, Hopefully you are not basing the need for a diesel on a midlife crisis - "macho" impulse. You aren't by chance looking at a red truck? ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: backfoot100
Date Posted: January-26-2015 at 6:28pm
I would argue this Ken. Diesels traditionally run upwards of 20:1 compression or higher. That's the whole theory behind a diesel. Turbocharged and supercharged engines actually require lower compression ratios than their normally aspirated counterparts because they're forcing extra fuel air mixtures into the combustion chamber. This is standard motorhead knowledge. FYI, Ford did things the right way when they bought Volvo back in 1999. They learned turbo technology from Volvo and ultimately the end result is the ecoboost. My '98 Volvo turbo just turned 399K and it's not a question of "if" but when it hits 500k. Will you run your TD that long? ------------- When people run down to the lake to see what's making that noise, you've succeeded. Eddie |
Posted By: phatsat67
Date Posted: January-26-2015 at 6:35pm
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Eddie, my grandpa has a 98 E70 T5. Great car and holding up exceptionally well body and drive train at about 170k miles. ------------- |
Posted By: Riley
Date Posted: January-26-2015 at 6:42pm
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Ken, buy the diesel and get it well optioned. When you trade it in a few years, I might know someone that'll buy it from you. I've kept a variety of trucks upwards of or over 200k and have not had a problem with an engine whether it's a Ford or Chevy. It's the bodies that start to rust out at 8-10 years that limits the life of the truck. Ford has aluminum bodies now, but SS brake lines would be a real plus. |
Posted By: JDD33
Date Posted: January-26-2015 at 6:53pm
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Hey Ken! My boss loves Ford so right now we have an '01, 2 '06's, and 2 '07's. They're all good trucks but the fuel economy is terrible in the around town driving. I plow one of the '07's and I get 6 mpg..... Ugh! Buddy of mine has a '14 with the 6.7 and he averages about 14.5 mpg, lots of get up and go and great for towing but he rarely tows with and is now questioning weather the up charge for the diesel was worth it. The diesels will stand the test of time but as mentioned the rest of the truck will crumble around it before you get your money out of the motor. I know the ramp your talking about... My 5.3 Yukon pulls it just fine... And my new truck should make it even easier! Maybe take a look at some of the other brands, the gas engines in the half ton market have more than enuff HP to pull your Nautique get about the same mpg and cost a 1/3 less. $$$ saved to put in the fuel tank of the boat and go to a few CC reunions! ------------- Old school goin back to school! |
Posted By: peter1234
Date Posted: January-26-2015 at 7:20pm
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i would weigh towing needs , miles driven per yr , gas prices probably dont make that much difference when you factor the down swing and upswings generally seem to relate to both fuels. i would opt for the diesle for the same reasons i would opt for the 454 bfn over 351. arent there 4 engine options for the 2015 f150? and the colorado could be a good option i was told it has an optional -4 liter diesel with 350+ foot lbs of torque. ------------- former skylark owner now a formula but I cant let this place go |
Posted By: JMurph
Date Posted: January-26-2015 at 11:41pm
I just replaced most of the braking components on my 2005 F150. I also had to replace the power steering lines as the fittings started to corrode and leak. I don't drive my F150 as a daily driver and it only has about 105k miles on it now. When I bought it new I never thought I'd have it for 10 years. It has held up pretty well over the years, but we don't get near as much salt on the roads as some of you guys. I consider a new truck about once a year and often think about the F250's, but mainly because I think they look cooler. I usually regain my senses after a few days of internet wishing and decide to keep my perfectly fine 10 year old F150. |
Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: January-27-2015 at 12:30am
454 not worth it in a boat if you only keep it a couple of years too  I think unless your towing a G, a truck that big is a waste if you have no other towing use. HW's Caddy works for him,I was pulling my 95 fine with a Town Car. Run the one you have now hard while the warranty is good,if it starts having trouble then get rid of it. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1711&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970" rel="nofollow - 69 Mustang HM SS 95 Nautique Super Sport |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: January-27-2015 at 12:39am
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Geez Ken why didn't you spring for a Python? ------------- |
Posted By: 05 210
Date Posted: January-27-2015 at 1:07am
Get a 1/2 ton Ram with a diesel. Only a $1500 upgrade and you're not driving around in an over sprung buckboard 90% of the time. I think the Bighorn model comes with wine glass holders  Where u been dude? Mike ------------- http:/diaries/details.asp?ID=2219" rel="nofollow - Air Nautique 210 Team 640 hours, not 1 regret |
Posted By: JoeinNY
Date Posted: January-27-2015 at 10:19am
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[QUOTE=JMurph] I just replaced most of the braking components on my 2005 F150. I also had to replace the power steering lines as the fittings started to corrode and leak. I don't drive my F150 as a daily driver and it only has about 105k miles on it now. QUOTE] Glad to hear you are keeping up on the maintenance Jmurph, in only 2 or 3 more years that beauty will have fallen into my price range! ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1477 - 1983 Ski Nautique 2001 1967 Mustang 302 "Decoy" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO5MkcBXBBs - Holeshot Video |
Posted By: C-Bass
Date Posted: January-27-2015 at 10:23am
The new 5.0l engine is going into the http://www.off-road.com/blog/2015/01/19/video-closer-look-at-cummins-diesel-2016-nissan-titan-xd/" rel="nofollow - Nissan Titan XD , which is supposed to fall somewhere between a 1/2 ton and 3/4 ton. I agree with most here, unless you actually need the towing ability of the diesel, there is not much argument (certainly not financial) to getting a diesel over a gas, let alone jumping up to a 3/4 ton over a 1/2 ton. If you're having trouble pulling a 3000lb boat/trailer up a ramp, try releasing the emergency brake. That should be no problem. Drop it in 4L if you need to. ------------- Craig 67 SN 73 SN http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=6103" rel="nofollow - 99 Sport 85SN |
Posted By: Nautique2001
Date Posted: January-27-2015 at 10:29am
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HW, I did look for the Python. Called a guy in NH and NC at the time I was looking. Both boats were sold. The GT40 has a ton of power! Mike, how's it going my friend? How's your Dodge Ram with the HEMI treating you? That's a super nice truck. I've been around. Just busy these days. Got married and have two wonderful kids. Life is good!!! How are you?? ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1052&sort=&pagenum=4&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - Nautique 2001 |
Posted By: 81nautique
Date Posted: January-27-2015 at 11:02am
I was waiting to comment until someone mentioned the Ram 1500 diesel, thanks Mike. Ken what kind of problem are you having at the ramp? If you have 4wd I can't imagine any ramp giving you that much trouble where you feel you need more power. 4Wheel low should get you out of anything no matter what power you have. As for going with the 6.7 diesel in an f250 unless you plan to work that truck and get it nice and hot I can't imagine you'll have anything but trouble with the emission system eventually, the diesels need to be put to work and your Ski is not going to do it. Plus have you ever driven a 250 diesel around town, nice work truck but not a grocery getter by any means. With that said the Ram 1500 with the Eco Diesel is right up your alley if you really think you need to move away from the Eco Boost gasser. I have the Eco Diesel in my Jeep and just under 30,000 miles and it just keeps getting better as it breaks in. I've mentioned before I get anywhere from 17-19.5 mpg TOWING and just this weekend I did a 300 mile highway trip (Not towing) and got 29.3 at 70+ mph. I think you need to go drive one and see for yourself. I did have to deal with a recall on the exhaust system but I think they are starting to get the new small diesels sorted out after a couple of years on the market. Maintenence costs on the 6.7 diesel will be quite a bit more than your gasser too but with my small diesel an oil change costs me $75 every 10,000 miles. Fuel filters every 20,000 at about $150. Def fluid is cheap and not as big a deal as the anti diesel crowd makes it out to be. I don't let the cheap gas prices fog my decision to go diesel either because this won't last forever and up until a few months ago diesel in my area was only 30 cents more than gas so the extra mileage of the diesel made up the difference, the gas prices won't last forever and it will swing back the other way probably within 2 years, maybe sooner so be thinking about your mpg. |
Posted By: phatsat67
Date Posted: January-27-2015 at 11:34am
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I wish I could afford the eco diesel Ram. Maybe my next truck 10 years from now haha. ------------- |
Posted By: Hansel
Date Posted: January-27-2015 at 11:43am
100% agree here. There is only one way that prices will go once the Saudis have throttled the production of their "competition" and it isn't down. One industry projection I read (released last week at Davos) was $200 per barrel in five years. That might be extreme, but the long term trend in prices is very clearly up even if we get a 6-12 month reprieve. |
Posted By: phatsat67
Date Posted: January-27-2015 at 11:51am
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They have no clue where gas prices are going to go. Projecting oil prices is like predicting weather. Our wonderful president keeps vetoing that great American pipeline project. I am not too concerned with prices. Future plans with me when the truck is paid off are trending towards some type of nicer very fuel efficient sedan for daily usage and road trips that don't require a truck. This will make the truck last longer from a mileage standpoint as the newer car will get most of the miles on it and be traded off for a new model every 4 or so years. ------------- |
Posted By: Riley
Date Posted: January-27-2015 at 11:54am
| Yaah, but over the long term, up is more likely than down. |
Posted By: Nautique2001
Date Posted: January-27-2015 at 11:56am
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Hey Alan, the pitch of the boat ramp is super steep. Both the boat and truck are at a tough angle. Only 4x4 works and those turbos are spinning hard to get my boat out. My concern is wear and tear causing pre-mature mechanical issues. This was why is was thinking a bigger truck and engine. I hear lots of good things about the torque Diesel engines produce. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1052&sort=&pagenum=4&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - Nautique 2001 |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: January-27-2015 at 12:54pm
Ken, Please explain your concern with the turbos winding up. With a demand for power, aren't they supposed to do that?  ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: JoeinNY
Date Posted: January-27-2015 at 1:07pm
Don't be concerned - turbos are meant to spool, put the truck in 4 low and when pulling your boat up a ramp rest assured that it is barely breaking a sweat. Certainly working at much much less capacity than your boat is when pulling a slalom set. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1477 - 1983 Ski Nautique 2001 1967 Mustang 302 "Decoy" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO5MkcBXBBs - Holeshot Video |
Posted By: Treybizttu
Date Posted: January-27-2015 at 1:15pm
| Are you doing a burnout up the ramp? Hard to imagine the turbos spooling up that much. I use a gravel/dirt/mud ramp thats steep as all get out at my lakehouse. Even my 300k mile POS camo tahoe doesn't struggle in 4LO. |
Posted By: Nautique2001
Date Posted: January-27-2015 at 1:17pm
Hey John, how's it going? You understand the pains of the ramp at Cochituate! It's a totally different ball game at the end of the season when the water is low. Does your trailer go over the cement block? That's tough to roll over slowly without tearing your axle off. I think because I'm slow with throttling out, the feels like it's laboring. My concern about the turbo piece is just the unnecessary strain causing wear and tear. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1052&sort=&pagenum=4&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - Nautique 2001 |
Posted By: Dreaming
Date Posted: January-27-2015 at 1:20pm
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Ken, I love my F-250, and the 7.3L powerstroke, but I think you should drive one for an hour or so to see how you feel about driving it in traffic and parking at the supermarket. It certainly feels much better on the freeway or at the jobsite than it does parking in the parking lot at the grocery store. Sitting around for long periods of time is hard on the variable vane turbo's, as well as other components, so if you are not going to work the diesel fairly of often, that can really affect the longevity of the motor. I won't discourage you from buying diesel, I think it's all a matter of personal preference, but they have both their up side and their down sides. BTW, I think mine takes 16 qts of oil at an oil change, that was a bit of a shocker when I bought my first diesel 
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Posted By: Treybizttu
Date Posted: January-27-2015 at 1:27pm
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Yep, you buy rotella by the gallon as opposed to quart And as has been said... It seems as though the cream puff diesels are the ones that don't last because they aren't run like they are designed to be. A lot more blown up bro-dozers than fleet trucks. |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: January-27-2015 at 2:53pm
Ken, Again, I'm confused or at least feel you are. Think about it this way. What's the difference between taking the engine RPM's up at the ramp compared to running down the road at 70 going uphill and against a head wind? ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: phatsat67
Date Posted: January-27-2015 at 2:56pm
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Posted By: backfoot100
Date Posted: January-27-2015 at 3:20pm
Joe's dead on here. The Ecoboost has twin turbos which means smaller than what a single turbo would be and at a lower boost pressure (I have to assume anyway). That allows them to spool faster and at a lower RPM to give you the low end torque that you want to get that rig moving. Bigger high pressure turbos are great for mid-upper RPM boost. Smaller low pressure turbos boost at lower-mid RPM for more grunt. Very similar to how different cam grinds will move the torque up or down the RPM range of an engine. Turbos and supercharging are a science unto themselves. The one thing I would highly suggest is that you run synthetic oil in that thing. Turbos put off heat, and I mean lots of heat. The oil that keeps them lubricated will boil and sludge up the turbo itself in no time. Especially right after you shut it off after a hard run. Synthetic oil is the only thing that can take that kind of heat. It's been highly documented on all the Volvo forums I visit that conventional oil is probably the sole reason guys are having any turbo issues at all. Like I said, I have 399K and haven't touched the turbo, engine or tranny except for a couple of seals and it's still one of the fastest cars I've ever driven from 20MPH up to about 100 (remember that high pressure thing I mentioned). ------------- When people run down to the lake to see what's making that noise, you've succeeded. Eddie |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: January-27-2015 at 4:05pm
Eddie, I'm almost at 300,000 on my 6.5 turbo. The original turbo has seen Rotella and Valvolene 15-40 all it's life. Maybe it's a Volvo issue? I'd hate to own a big rig and have to do an oil change with synthetic! $$$$------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: Nautique2001
Date Posted: January-27-2015 at 4:34pm
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I've been using synthetic since my first oil change. Hopeful this helps with giving the engine a longer life. I'm assuming the F250 has better low end gearing which allows the engine to work less. The 3.5 Ecoboost definitely has more power at the boat ramp than my old 2010 F150 with 5.4 V8. For some reason the transmission I had in that truck was a little rough shifting. Ultimately I do like both series trucks and they have amazing pulling power. I've just heard mixed reviews on the life span of the Ecoboost and maintenance costs. This site is definitely helpful with getting constructive feedback to make a more informed decision. I do like Ram trucks, but I've always been a Ford guy. Ken ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1052&sort=&pagenum=4&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - Nautique 2001 |
Posted By: Bri892001
Date Posted: January-27-2015 at 5:19pm
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I assume you're using 4-Lo at the ramp right, right? I scanned all through this looking. I did see one comment on that. That's something I always employ at the boat ramp with my Liberty. |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: January-27-2015 at 5:40pm
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What? Put it in D, floor it, and when you get to the top take the E brake off, like C-Bass said. ------------- |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: January-27-2015 at 5:59pm
Yes, "power" depends on the gearing purchased but, ratios offered typically match engine choices. Don't forget with gearing, a 3 HP Briggs engine will pull the same load as a 500 HP semi tractor. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: dmiracle
Date Posted: January-27-2015 at 6:53pm
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Love, love my 2014 F-250....6.7 Powerstroke Turbo. That said, it's not for everybody. 14.1 in town, 19hwy. It's a beast and that's why I bought it. I drove the F150 after spending the past 4 years in my Avalanche. I personally didn't like the feel of the F150. To me, it was too cushy of a drive. I drove the F250 and fell in love. It's a big, brutal truck and takes some getting used to but I absolutely love driving it everyday. You definitely would not want a gasoline version of this truck. Mileage would kill you and nobody wants it from a resale standpoint. I can't speak to torque, compression, etc..., but for towing my Ski Nautique, let's just say it would pull 20 at the same time. In the end though, if you don't "require" this type of vehicle, it's simply a matter of personal preference. I have a friend with the V6 Eco and he loves the power.  ------------- Doug |
Posted By: backfoot100
Date Posted: January-27-2015 at 9:45pm
I think it could be a couple different things Pete but admittedly, it's purely my own best guess. Right, wrong or indifferent. First off, as you stated, a diesel has a complex oiling system using gallons of oil instead of quarts. That has to help keep things cooler. Next, the diesel just won't spin as many RPM as a gas turbo engine. It only stands to reason that the turbo itself can't be spinning as fast which would obviously keep it substantially cooler. ------------- When people run down to the lake to see what's making that noise, you've succeeded. Eddie |
Posted By: quinner
Date Posted: January-27-2015 at 11:26pm
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OMG Ken, don't spill your Chardonnay, let your wife drive at the boat launch |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: January-27-2015 at 11:58pm
Eddie, The heat a turbo sees is from the exhaust gasses. Oil running through the bearings do keep them cooler and most diesels do have oil coolers. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: weitekampt
Date Posted: January-28-2015 at 12:57am
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Ok, Im gonna chime in. I own a 2013 F-350 longbed crew cab 6.7. Yes, it is a land barge but it is a beautiful machine. I own it because my 7.3 had 236k miles on it and needed to have the engine pulled to replace a rusty oil pan which they were notorious for. The internals of that engine were fantastic, but the turbo was recently replaced, injectors were original, controllers were failing....but it had a lot of miles and age on it. That diesel engine was robust and I really enjoyed it, moreso than this quiet sissy 6.7! The engines internal components will rotate forever, but it is all the junk hanging on them that fails over time. The 6.7 is a very good motor especially the 2015's. They pull great and get ok mileage. I have the factory 20" wheels and 3:55 gears. Let me state that I was going to get a gas 3/4 ton and I would have strained it with my 35ft 5th wheel camper but who cares! My friend has that truck with a gas and it has all kinds of power and gets about the same mpg as my diesel. I found this truck online and got a crazy deal on it and that's why I have the diesel....I basically got a new truck (8k miles) and didn't have to pay the premium of the engine. Remember when I said all the crap hanging on the engine fails....well there is a lot of crap on these diesels and you really can't work on them because they are so damn complex compared to my old 7.3. I quit trying. the emissions stuff is ridiculous, the fuel system is incredibly sensitive (most failures are being denied of warranty and cost upwards of 10k to replace due to fuel quality), and the turbo's have issues. I had to laugh when you were hoping that the maintenance would be cheaper....well it sure as heck isn't!!!! I run synthetic oil in the truck and it holds 13 quarts. There are 2 cooling systems on the truck that need to be pampered/monitored, two fuel filters and they are 101 bucks from ford! I honestly have spent over $400.00 in fuel filters alone in the last 2 weeks simply due to poor fuel (biodiesel) the stations are selling. I have bought from these same stations for 10 years and they are now selling biodiesel in the winters when they shouldn't and it plugs the *************** out of the filters! left me stranded! The ford dealer did 12 new 6.7's fuel filters BEFORE NOON simply because of plugged fuel filters....traced down to the same stations that usually sell quality fuel. I am a maintenance freak and I knew I was going to spend more on maintenance costs on this new 6.7 than I did on my old truck, but this is ridiculous! I was actually looking last weekend for a gas 3/4 ton and couldn't find one on any lots. This truck was going down the road! The cost factor is just too high for me to buy another one. Again, I got a stupid good deal on this truck and it is the only damn reason I bought another diesel. The superduty is a gorgeous truck and I would highly recommend one to you, but the diesel is going to nickel and dime you to death. Get a gas motor. You will put more gallons through it but you will pour in gas and oil....that's it! I'd agree with Alan, that little jeep of theirs is awesome. Super power, gobs of torque, quiet, and just a ball to drive! If you must have a diesel and open to a Mopar product, take a hard look at the ram. I want to get back to the point, if you have a load of spare cash and want to piss it into the wind (or just plain stupid like me)....buy a diesel. They are fun to drive and make towing a pleasure. For me it does make pulling the 10K lbs camper of ours easy. But if it weren't for the camper I sure as hell wouldn't have a diesel truck. To this day, my wheezy ol 1990 F-150 with 5.0 180hp motor still pulls the Nautique during the summers just fine! If someone would buy this camper off me I'd gladly step down to a F150 with a v-8. My buddy has a ecoboost and it is quick but I'm not sure I would buy one simply due to how complex they are. It was a windy post, but I wanted to throw in my $.02 worth. Again, gorgeous truck and enjoy what ford has done with the truck, but unless you drive it and work the hell out of it, people like us have no business owning one! ------------- 1993 SkiNautique ProTec 2009 Boatmate trailer. 1240 hours on meter. http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1559&sort=&pagenum=2&yrstart=1991&yrend=1995 - 1993 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: January-28-2015 at 1:58am
It seems Pete that European manufactures tell you down to the brand what oil to use,at least on my last 2. 300k on a car I'd be bored out of my mind,my Jeep that our son got this summer is 14 with 77k Todd our new car does not even have a dipstick,the hood might as well be welded shut ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1711&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970" rel="nofollow - 69 Mustang HM SS 95 Nautique Super Sport |
Posted By: IAughtNaut
Date Posted: January-28-2015 at 2:24am
------------- bring the ruckus http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5347" rel="nofollow - 2000 Pro Air |
Posted By: M3Fan
Date Posted: January-28-2015 at 2:42pm
This was a great read, particularly because I could perfectly hear your voice in my head while reading it, with all the classic Todd-isms and figures of speech! Loved it!  ------------- 2000 SN GT40 w/99 Graphics/Gel 2016 SN 200 OB 5.3L DI https://forum.fifteenoff.com |
Posted By: phatsat67
Date Posted: January-28-2015 at 2:43pm
My cousins airport bought a new F250 regular cab with the 6.2 last summer. Drew says it is pooch city and gets atrocious fuel economy. ------------- |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: January-28-2015 at 2:44pm
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Yes Joel, it was OUTSTANDING. ------------- |
Posted By: 81nautique
Date Posted: January-28-2015 at 3:20pm
"I'm here to tell ya." LOL. Todd-isms!!! we could write a book. Todd is the ultimate authority on oil burners. I know how much he misses playing with the 7.3 rattlecan. Old red was a beast. |
Posted By: dmiracle
Date Posted: January-28-2015 at 3:23pm
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The rattle can is half the fun of the truck. Something about it brings out the blue collar redneck in me. 💪 ------------- Doug |
Posted By: TX Foilhead
Date Posted: January-28-2015 at 4:13pm
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I've got a 15 F350 work truck, it's an absolute beast. Gets acceptable mileage unloaded, and pretty good mileage loaded. I tow heavy things often, I have to make sure I don't need the bigger truck for a lot of of things. If you tow things right up to the point you need a CDL then it's hard to beat, if you aren't doing that then a new gas truck every few years is a better deal. Nobody needs a daily driver truck that requires the cab be removed to work on the motor. If you just need to be different with something bigger, get a Raptor. |
Posted By: phatsat67
Date Posted: January-28-2015 at 6:56pm
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I sort of have my eye set on one of the new 6.4 2500 Mopar Rigs if my payload ever needs to be larger or I start pushing around fluffy white stuff again regularly. The dual 380 amp alternator set up is sweet and MDS actually makes for acceptable gas rig fuel economy. My 1500 was pretty pissy headed to Tim's this summer with 1100 or so pounds of Jack's amc power plant back there and another 1000 lbs of Adams traveling side show hahaha.. Not to mention all the beer we picked up at the liquor store on the way to Tim's ha. I think the bump stops were making it bounce weirdly if we hit a bump too big. Strangely the pinion bearing went out on the return trip haha. ------------- |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: January-28-2015 at 8:45pm
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I already gave my best advice to ken (re: Subaru Brat), but I do have a question of my own. When the time comes to buy a truck in the next few years, I'm contemplating 2 options: 1. New/newer 1/2 ton to use as my primary vehicle. Capable but comfortable, reasonable fuel mileage (80 mile round trip commute), etc. 2. Used/older 3/4 ton to use as a 3rd vehicle for towing and winter use, and also buy a car that would be used for commuting. In scenario #2, it seems like a gasser 3/4 ton might be the way to go. As much as I'd like to have the pulling power of a diesel, the additional upkeep and cost does not appeal to me. Fuel efficiency is less of a concern since it wouldn't be an every day vehicle. Longevity, simplicity and low maintenance are the keys. A used/older 1/2 ton is also a consideration, but the beefier frame/axles/suspension and larger v8's appeals to me from both a longevity and capability standpoint. Any comments on my line of thinking? |
Posted By: M3Fan
Date Posted: January-28-2015 at 9:35pm
You know my answer. Dual primary cars is the BEST. One car for utility, snow/winter/salt, and towing duties. The other car is the affordable dream car that you can wrench on and commute in style, comfort, and speed with. I've been on the program since 2009 and love it. That car can be so many fun, affordable things- M3/M5/M Roadster/E55/SL/911/928/NSX/Z/Supra/308/Esprit/GNX and on and on. Life is way too short to be stuck with a truck as your only primary driver. Plus you have a backup car when you're fixing or upgrading the dream car. ------------- 2000 SN GT40 w/99 Graphics/Gel 2016 SN 200 OB 5.3L DI https://forum.fifteenoff.com |
Posted By: Dreaming
Date Posted: January-28-2015 at 9:51pm
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^^^ ditto. Not really that much to insure both, and you don't have to sacrifice any one Item to make the vehicle perform marginally for both tasks. I am on this plan too, thus the older 7.3l f250. good for everything I need in a truck, and sits when I don't need it. |
Posted By: JMurph
Date Posted: January-28-2015 at 10:49pm
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I also partially agree with Joel. My wife and I have had three vehicles since we were married 17 years ago. The one difference is that I have never gone the fun car route. I have always had a 1/2 ton 4x4 truck and a car or Wrangler. My advice would be buy a Prius while gas is cheap and let it pay for itself 40 miles at a time. Foot note: We had a Subura Brat while growing up. My dad is about 5' tall on his tip toes, so it fit him perfectly. |
Posted By: TX Foilhead
Date Posted: January-29-2015 at 12:48am
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Tim, the diesel Colorado should be out by then so you can have something that tows well and gets some mileage. |
Posted By: SWANY
Date Posted: January-29-2015 at 1:51am
| I'm a GM guy and have owned both many 1/2 and 3/4 tons. My opinion is the 1/2 tons are built so well now and as well of the last 13 years, they can handle most likely anything most of us are going to throw their way. No reason some good maintenance can get you easily 300,000 out of a engine and driveline. I keep track of all my repairs by mileage and most of the higher priced repairs all went about same mileage on both my 1/2 and 3/4 tons...I worked at a company for about 5 years where we had to haul about 1500-2000lbs a day of construction material usually 100-300 miles round trip and those were all 1/2 ton GM trucks we were running. They can handle it. I loved my 3/4 trucks I owned and will go back some day but only because that's usually the only footprint to find a 8' bed on anymore with a crew cab. That being said it would still be more than I need most days and I still haul a lot of tools and material/weight. The GM 6.0 is great motor and I was really happy but I'm equally satisfied with the 5.3 in the half tons and get a 2-5mpg better. I will never spend over $15,000 on a vehicle and expect to get at least 250k out of it regardless, I would rather spend that extra money on something else. there's too many good used cheap trucks out there! |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: January-29-2015 at 3:42am
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I got 2 words for ya. Fleet Wood or car + truck sounds good to me. I'd consider leasing a dorky economy car if you'd rather put more money into the truck ------------- |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: January-29-2015 at 7:59am
Ken, are you listening?
John, I think your 2-car plan makes the most sense economically... But something a little more fun to drive (that could double as a fun weekender and still get good mileage for the commute) appeals to me too. I'm not ready for a BMW, Joel- they would want more constant attention than I'm willing to give at this point. Someday. Don, the Colorado is interesting but small/midsize trucks are not on my radar. Going full size for sure- joe had a good write up comparing the 2... And I want the extra size and capability. The f150 with the 9sp transmission due out in a year is squarely on my radar. Ram ecodiesel returns good numbers but the extra cost of diesel really negates the mileage. Lots to consider... Won't be making a move anytime soon but fun to think about! |
Posted By: Orlando76
Date Posted: January-29-2015 at 8:38am
| I hate my 3/4 long bed ext cab so much. It's a gasser which is all I'll ever have. But the ride is so stuff, the truck is too big, just a bitch to clean, maintenance is a pain. I need every bit of a 1 ton every day but due to the performance and mpg, I'm stepping down to 1/2 or a Tacoma preferably. I'll suffer by loading and unloading every item I need every morning to keep my weight down. And I'll be buying a commuter Honda for the weekends. I can't stand burning 10mpg when 35mpg will do it, the gas and $ saved goes into the boat. |
Posted By: Riley
Date Posted: January-29-2015 at 9:28am
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I've debated the one or two car plan forever, as I need a vehicle for work. Even with a Prius, the best case scenario is always just break even, so I've opted to buy a new truck every few years. There's no real savings having a 2nd car for me, even with gas in the high $3s. My Chevy 1500 gets decent mileage except for when towing. I don't tow very far normally, but when we towed a boat down and back from White Lake last spring, I couldn't believe what a pig it was. I bet it only got 12 mpg. If I towed regularly, I would have a different truck. Ken's current truck has to have a towing capacity twice what is needed for his boat, so I would think 4 low would be more than adequate for even the worst ramp. Tim, think Toyota will ever come out with a diesel Tacoma? |
Posted By: Nautique2001
Date Posted: January-29-2015 at 9:37am
Definitely lots of great feedback for sure, and I appreciate it! I'm hearing the F250 with 6.7 diesel is a great truck, but maintenance and fuel costs are concerning. I do enjoy the zip my F150 has with the Ecoboost. To me, I enjoy the feeling of more low end torque and appreciate the larger size brakes and suspension. Relating to boats, have any of you purchased a boat with a bigger than standard size engine or added HP to your engine? If so, why? I searched and would have bought the python TSC1 , but they're hard to find. I don't necessarily need the extra HP, it's more that I know it's there and the fun factor. Sort of same thought process with a tow vehicle/daily driver. Ken ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1052&sort=&pagenum=4&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - Nautique 2001 |
Posted By: Nautique2001
Date Posted: January-29-2015 at 9:42am
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Fuel mileage and cost of the truck aside, would you all purchase and enjoy the F250 Super Duty w/6.7 diesel? It's such a nice truck and I think is just a nice as the Ram diesel. I'm not up on my Chevy or GMC trucks but I'm sure they make some decent and large tow vehicles. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1052&sort=&pagenum=4&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - Nautique 2001 |
Posted By: SWANY
Date Posted: January-29-2015 at 9:53am
| Sure, not figuring money in. Its sharp looking. Makes me think if ford took the super duty front end and used it on all three truck lines the 150 might be even better seller. Front end seems to be the biggest appeal to everyone. |
Posted By: phatsat67
Date Posted: January-29-2015 at 9:54am
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Money aside I would have a 3/4 ton diesel for work and something hot and fun for the daily commute. Like Bruce said, especially if you have a payment on 2 vehicles the car+truck makes no sense which is why I am waiting until the truck is paid off and pick up something that gets good economy although you all know it will probably end up being a few year old 6 speed SRT Challenger instead hahahah. Sadly, my 1500 bests my dad's 10 6 speed R/T Challenger on highway MPG by 1-2 mpg. Stick cars don't have MDS and the chally is about as aerodynamic as a brick. ------------- |
Posted By: peter1234
Date Posted: January-29-2015 at 9:55am
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Tim i have an 09m gas hd2500 and it hauls my formula effortlessly i wouldnt hesitate to find something of that type and i would then go for the amg benz or m5 ------------- former skylark owner now a formula but I cant let this place go |
Posted By: Nautique2001
Date Posted: January-29-2015 at 10:08am
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Another thought as it relates to boats, if $ wasn't a factor, would you spend extra to get the 450 in the SN200 over the 343? Would you spend extra to get the 550 in the G25 over the 450? Think we all kind of thirst for that extra HP and torque to move our toys along. Ken ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1052&sort=&pagenum=4&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - Nautique 2001 |
Posted By: phatsat67
Date Posted: January-29-2015 at 10:12am
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I would buy a 196 and re power with a 550 if money was no option. HP in 200s is pretty pointless. The boat was made to go 36 mph and that's about all it's good for. Supposedly something better for all around performance and not just 3 event stuff may be on the horizon but that's years out at this point. ------------- |