1969 Correct Craft Barracuda
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Printed Date: May-04-2024 at 10:24pm
Topic: 1969 Correct Craft Barracuda
Posted By: Nautilus
Subject: 1969 Correct Craft Barracuda
Date Posted: November-29-2014 at 1:21am
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Forum Members: I apologize for taking my frustrations out on the entire forum. I own, appreciate and restore, or at least re-do, Correct Craft boats. Leaving the forum spites no one but myself. I look forward to future discussions and hope to be able to make positive contributions regarding the preservation, in any form, of Correct Craft boats. Here is the web address of my Restoration Photo Log of the 1986 Ski Nautique we recently restored. We will begin work on a nearly identical 1982 next week. The owner has requested the same interior treatment as we gave the 1986: http://www.nautilusrestorations.com/main/1986-ski-nautique/ This is the web address for the Restoration Photo Log of the 1963 CC Debonnaire: http://www.nautilusrestorations.com/main/1963-correct-craft/ I have attached three photos taken this afternoon of the 1969 CC Barracuda. All that remains to do is install the engine and the outside aluminum rub rail. The owner provided the upholstery and we scrubbed it as clean as it would come. Not to rub salt into any wounds but I have also attached a photo of a 1954 Atom Skier which I converted to dual cockpit runabout configuration at the owner's request.     ------------- Striving for mediocrity ! |
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Posted By: 93/70 ccpb
Date Posted: November-29-2014 at 3:45am
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hello nautilus.i hope my 69 barracuda ss turns out as nice as yours when it is done.keep up you work.original or not wee need to keep them still on the water.dan in ohio ------------- what you dont want to hear from jbear and bill.you cant get in the boat till you get your minute,and they throw you back in water! |
Posted By: 93/70 ccpb
Date Posted: November-29-2014 at 3:48am
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hello nautilus.i hope my 69 barracuda ss turns out as nice as yours when it is done.keep up your good work.original or not we need to keep them still on the water.dan in ohio ------------- what you dont want to hear from jbear and bill.you cant get in the boat till you get your minute,and they throw you back in water! |
Posted By: fanofccfan
Date Posted: November-29-2014 at 9:10am
| Nice work! Keep the pictures coming please as we all love seeing photos. Glad to have you back. |
Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: November-29-2014 at 9:59am
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'Cuda looks great,I can just imagine the hours involved. Did you do the paint? Is the whole hull the same paint or is something else used on the bottom? Since the interior matches is it safe to assume it was orange to begin with? I just Imron'd my Shamrock this summer so I know the time,expense and the amount of work you went thru on just the hull alone not to mention stringers,electrical work etc. Great job! ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1711&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970" rel="nofollow - 69 Mustang HM SS 95 Nautique Super Sport |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: November-29-2014 at 10:08am
Jan, Keep on working on those CC's! Just to help out, the CCfan site doesn't automatically create links. http://www.nautilusrestorations.com/main/1986-ski-nautique/" rel="nofollow - Here's your first link http://www.nautilusrestorations.com/main/1963-correct-craft/" rel="nofollow - And your second link For direct links, go to "post rely" rather than "quick reply". Clicking on the world icon brings up a box where you add a description. The next box is were you past the link address. I understand there are problems with this method on a cell phone. Once again, keep those CC's in the water! ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Nautilus wrote:Posted By: Nautilus
Date Posted: November-29-2014 at 11:44am
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Yes, the boat was originally orange and cream colored. I took my best shot at matching the colors. I think I got the orange right on the nose but the off-white turned out to look bright white so we repainted it. I used PPG automotive paint. The engine is finished and will be installed on Monday, as will the outside rub rail trim. We'll do a shakedown cruise late next week then winterize the engine, load her onto the trailer and she'll be ready for the first warm day of spring. The links I posted were not meant to be "clickable"...just be copied and pasted into your browser. ------------- Striving for mediocrity ! |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: November-29-2014 at 5:18pm
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Nice looking shop too ------------- |
Posted By: rleinen79
Date Posted: November-29-2014 at 9:58pm
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Nautilus I lurk on the site a lot, but rarely post anymore. Too much drama and BS and "my way is the only way". I've enjoyed looking at the pics you've posted and following your previous thread. Don't let a couple of a**holes run you out of the site. Keep up the good work! Rob ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=7744" rel="nofollow - 2006 Ski 206 http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1123" rel="nofollow - 97 SNOB |
Posted By: Nautilus
Date Posted: November-29-2014 at 10:16pm
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I'll take your advice...and thanks. Yes, sphincters can ruin a forum if you let them. Best plan is to ignore them, not retreat. I'll be sticking around. I just added a restoration photo log of the Barracuda to my website...copy and paste into your browser: http://www.nautilusrestorations.com/main/1991-2/ ------------- Striving for mediocrity ! |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: November-29-2014 at 10:30pm
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Jan, Do you have a personal boat? If so, can you fill us in? ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: November-30-2014 at 12:26am
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Just so you know you can't copy and paste on a phone or a pad, just saying------ ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1711&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970" rel="nofollow - 69 Mustang HM SS 95 Nautique Super Sport |
Posted By: Nautilus
Date Posted: November-30-2014 at 12:51am
Up until two years ago, this was my boat: I now own eight boats. The newest is 1988. The Stingray and Formula both run. The other six are projects, including a 1955 Shepherd that I will be converting to a rear cockpit racer powered by a V12 American-LaFrance engine.   ------------- Striving for mediocrity ! |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: November-30-2014 at 1:43am
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Cool *************** ------------- |
Posted By: JoeinNY
Date Posted: November-30-2014 at 2:16am
Gary - try leaving your finger on the text for a second or three it might give you a couple arrows to move to the front and back of the text you want to copy - and a menu that allows you to copy - when you want to paste after that go to where you want to paste and touch there for a second or three and the paste option should come up ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1477 - 1983 Ski Nautique 2001 1967 Mustang 302 "Decoy" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO5MkcBXBBs - Holeshot Video |
Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: November-30-2014 at 2:21am
Thanks Joe haven't quite got it yet but can see with practice that it will work. My son always tells me I should take a class  ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1711&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970" rel="nofollow - 69 Mustang HM SS 95 Nautique Super Sport |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: November-30-2014 at 9:48am
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Jan, Thanks for filling us in. I've never seen an American-LaFrance in a marine application. Was it originally in a fire truck and you're converting it? What's your plan for a trans? The Sheperd's being a heavy and very stout built hull, it sure will be able to handle that engine. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: uk1979
Date Posted: December-01-2014 at 3:06pm
Good to see your sticking around....welcome  ------------- Lets have a go 56 Starflite 77 SN 78 SN 80 BFN |
Posted By: dochockey
Date Posted: December-02-2014 at 12:58am
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Hi Jan On the Barracuda is that a glass windshield ? and the windshield corner brackets are those original to that boat ? Kirk ------------- 1989 Teal Ski Nautique 1967 Mustang Harris Float Sunfish |
Posted By: Nautilus
Date Posted: December-02-2014 at 1:04am
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Yes, the windshield is glass and the brackets are original to the windshield. I have no idea if the windshield is original to the boat but it does fit like a glove and there were no extra holes in the topsides to make me believe there was once a different windshield mounted. The brackets are pot metal and they were painted Eastwood aluminum rather than having them re-plated. ------------- Striving for mediocrity ! |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: December-02-2014 at 9:47am
Jan, Have you ever had any problems with coatings adhering to zinc die castings? How do you prep? Yes, your windshield is original. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: 63 Skier
Date Posted: December-02-2014 at 12:44pm
Rob, you've been around here a while. I think anyone who hangs around realizes how much valuable info is available to all of us. I'm fine with a few pointed comments because I always know those same people will take the time to help out in any way they are asked. And to be honest I really think there is less drama here than pretty much any site I visit. Jan, very impressive work! ------------- '63 American Skier - '98 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: 62 wood
Date Posted: December-11-2014 at 10:29am
Me LIKEY!!!!! BUT, we need more info on the engine!!!!  . ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1117&sort=&pagenum=6" rel="nofollow - 64 American Skier 62 Classic.. 73 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: phatsat67
Date Posted: December-11-2014 at 11:28am
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Now that's a motor. ------------- |
Posted By: Nautilus
Date Posted: December-11-2014 at 1:13pm
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The engine is a 1947 American-LaFrance V12-J, 527 cubic inch displacement, 215 HP @3,600 RPMs, OHV, 24 spark plugs, two 12-point distributors each with two sets of points and four coils. The 12-spark plug version was originally used in mid-1930s Auburn automobiles. When Auburn went bankrupt, American-LaFrance bought the rights to the engine and re-worked it for firetruck use, including secondary heads holding four spark plugs each and a second distributor driven from the generator. It originally had two top-mounted carburetors and cast iron exhaust/intake manifolds. I designed/built an aluminum intake/exhaust manifold sending the exhaust straight out the top and allowing the fuel to be supplied by six Carter YH marine carbs. The engine will drive a PCM 1.23:1 transmission through a Bentzen adapter and flywheel through an aluminum BBC bell housing. I'll be using a 14/20 cupped nibral prop (per Michigan Wheel) which should allow 50-55 MPH at 3,600 RPMs. Now all I need is time and energy to work on it...and money. Donations accepted. ------------- Striving for mediocrity ! |
Posted By: Riley
Date Posted: December-11-2014 at 1:23pm
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[QUOTE=Nautilus] I'll be using a 14/20 cupped nibral prop (per Michigan Wheel) which should allow 50-55 MPH at 3,600 RPMs.[QUOTE] Wow, that's got to be a custom prop? |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: December-11-2014 at 1:28pm
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That's not too oddball of a size, at least if he's running a 1-1/8" shaft. There were big block 1.5:1 boats that used similar sizes, though most were LH. You must have quite a bit more than the original 215hp if you expect to see those kinds of speeds! Neat engine for sure. |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: December-11-2014 at 1:40pm
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Jan, Thanks for filling myself and others in on the engine. It's sure interesting and I hope you post the results. I'm a little surprised on Michigan's 20" pitch recommendation but they are the experts. The RPM's are low but so is the HP for the heavy hull of the Shepard. The 1.23: 1 sure will help. One thing you didn't mention is the torque. I'm sure the engine has a pretty decent stroke and like so many of the engine back then had plenty of torque. Keep us informed. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: Nautilus
Date Posted: December-11-2014 at 1:43pm
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The prop is a little rare but is built by Michigan Wheel. They did the calculations based upon length, width, weight, length at waterline, transmission ratio, horsepower, etc., etc. This engine has a ton of torque. Frankly, I'll take whatever speed I can get. I'm just building it to pick up hot senior chicks with big boobs. Think it'll work? ------------- Striving for mediocrity ! |
Posted By: Riley
Date Posted: December-11-2014 at 1:43pm
| That is a complicated engine! It must take a lot of patience and know how to get running right. Those old engines are a completely different beast having low rpm and hp, but massive torque. I've got a friend that is rebuilding a 1915+- Scripts V8 and I forget the numbers, but the rpm and hp are very low, but the torque is very high. |
Posted By: 62 wood
Date Posted: December-11-2014 at 2:14pm
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WOW!! I have the same "YH" carb adapter on my bad 6 as your V12! (just not quite as many of them)   ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1117&sort=&pagenum=6" rel="nofollow - 64 American Skier 62 Classic.. 73 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: 62 wood
Date Posted: December-11-2014 at 2:17pm
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btw, are the vertical tubes the exhaust/ you gonna run dry? ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1117&sort=&pagenum=6" rel="nofollow - 64 American Skier 62 Classic.. 73 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: Nautilus
Date Posted: December-11-2014 at 2:26pm
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Yes. No need for water-jacketed exhausts. The engine will be completely exposed. ------------- Striving for mediocrity ! |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: December-11-2014 at 2:34pm
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Jan, Was the Shepard originally a V drive? I know they loved to use them. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: 63 Skier
Date Posted: December-11-2014 at 2:39pm
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Yes, I'd say that boat will work for your "purpose" quite nicely! Don't some of the diesel inboards use 2:1 transmissions? I'd almost think that would be the ticket for the low rpm and torque of that engine. Very cool, I can't wait to hear it run. ------------- '63 American Skier - '98 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: December-11-2014 at 2:55pm
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Your logic is backwards on the transmission... A low revving engine that wants to run higher speeds would benefit from a lower reduction or even an overdrive (<1:1) tranny. That would get prop speed higher (and allow use of a shorter prop). High torque, low rev diesels usually go in larger/heavier/slower boats and the larger reduction further allows them to turn large props at low speeds. I think JohnB has a good theory on the power of attraction that old, loud boats have.
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Posted By: Nautilus
Date Posted: December-11-2014 at 3:23pm
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For now, I'll proceed with Michigan Wheel's recommendation. If I don't like the results, I can always change the transmission and/or prop. ------------- Striving for mediocrity ! |
Posted By: quinner
Date Posted: December-11-2014 at 3:54pm
Heavy metal and a Woody to get chicks, yea that should work!! You may want to keep the Ruffies as Plan "B" just in case!! |
Posted By: 63 Skier
Date Posted: December-11-2014 at 4:49pm
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Thanks for the explanation Tim. I looked at a Peninsular 6.5 ad and talked to the seller last winter, had a 2:1 mated to it, but as you pointed out must have been thinking backwards about it. ------------- '63 American Skier - '98 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: peter1234
Date Posted: December-11-2014 at 7:42pm
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if you are hoping to grab senior women you might need to put saggy between big and boobs ------------- former skylark owner now a formula but I cant let this place go |
Posted By: Nautilus
Date Posted: December-11-2014 at 7:45pm
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At my age, you learn to accept gravity. ------------- Striving for mediocrity ! |
Posted By: SNobsessed
Date Posted: December-11-2014 at 8:10pm
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It's the size of the 401K that really counts . . . ------------- “Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.” Ben Franklin |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: December-12-2014 at 6:17pm
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Jan, You must have missed my question. From the picture you posted, the Shepard looks like a DD but as mentioned, they did love the VD's.
------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: December-18-2014 at 7:29pm
Jan, Still missed the question? Don't forget we'd love to see more pictures of both the Shepard and Dee Wite.  ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: northcoastidol
Date Posted: December-18-2014 at 8:39pm
------------- Always be ready for a run, the water does not wait for you! |