'71 Mustang Followed Me Home
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Topic: '71 Mustang Followed Me Home
Posted By: NCH20SKIER
Subject: '71 Mustang Followed Me Home
Date Posted: November-28-2014 at 5:26pm
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So another boat was officially added today. '71 Mustang with a 302 HM (9.5 to - Reid says this is good). Everything appears to be there and as always.......it was running great when we put it up 2 years ago. http://s934.photobucket.com/user/inboardfan/media/77699EA0-3F9C-48DC-A8DE-80F24588EA55_zpsbl7vpi4e.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  [/IMG]http://s934.photobucket.com/user/inboardfan/media/AB1272CF-5F95-4F8E-8404-A1C7F058B14F_zpsqrkja4je.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  [/IMG]http://s934.photobucket.com/user/inboardfan/media/D194EC5C-56CA-4682-BE02-A1A0A1D28685_zpsxp6vibf6.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  [/IMG]http://s934.photobucket.com/user/inboardfan/media/A59EF575-D1B5-43E7-B166-0F5FDAFFC54B_zpslzal0pto.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  [/IMG]http://s934.photobucket.com/user/inboardfan/media/B44D0109-3D0B-47A7-A55C-BA409A1168C7_zpshqunllxz.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  [/IMG]http://s934.photobucket.com/user/inboardfan/media/4EFE9A93-8467-4A78-A72F-C06E6E09F2BE_zpsycjh7voh.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  [/IMG]------------- '05 206 Limited '88 BFN |
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Posted By: Riley
Date Posted: November-28-2014 at 5:29pm
| Great find, Greg! |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: November-28-2014 at 5:50pm
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Greg, It's fantastic another CC makes it in good hands in the CCfan family!  Take a good look at the integrity of the aft lifting ring mounting. It looks like the top side is bent. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: November-28-2014 at 6:23pm
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That is a nice find Greg. Make sure you check out the water pump,parts are getting hard to find. Also check that the rubber spider is in place between the crank drive and the pump. I assume Reid ment that the compression is not too high? Mine is tagged at 9.3 ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1711&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970" rel="nofollow - 69 Mustang HM SS 95 Nautique Super Sport |
Posted By: Swatkinz
Date Posted: November-28-2014 at 6:25pm
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Awesome. Love the blue. Are there some cooling parts missing? ------------- Steve 2011 Sport/Air 200 Excalibur 343 2017 Boatmate Tandem Axle Trailer Former CC owner (77, 80, 95, 88, all SNs) Former Malibu owner (07, 09) |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: November-28-2014 at 6:27pm
Not that I could see. Gary? ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Swatkinz wrote:Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: November-28-2014 at 6:28pm
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Pulled apart for winterizing I assume ------------- |
Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: November-28-2014 at 6:54pm
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HW is right,just the hoses pulled off. Only thing that's odd is the double sheeved crank pulley,as long as the alternator is aligned it does not matter but it must have been changed at one time and the fuel pump has been changed too,but none of the originals were marine either. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1711&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970" rel="nofollow - 69 Mustang HM SS 95 Nautique Super Sport |
Posted By: Waldo
Date Posted: November-28-2014 at 6:57pm
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Should clean up nice. Congrats. Waldo |
Posted By: peter1234
Date Posted: November-28-2014 at 7:24pm
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that is just the boat i would have looked for . unmolested , original, and i love the blue combing pads on those ------------- former skylark owner now a formula but I cant let this place go |
Posted By: DHart
Date Posted: November-28-2014 at 8:17pm
| Congrats Greg! Nice looking boat. |
Posted By: JoeinNY
Date Posted: November-28-2014 at 8:29pm
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Glad to see someone finally snatched that one up - looks as if the heads have been replaced at some point so I wouldn't make any bets on the current compression ratio. If you ever decide to get the interior replaced maybe we can get a two for one deal - I'll take my set in white. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1477 - 1983 Ski Nautique 2001 1967 Mustang 302 "Decoy" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO5MkcBXBBs - Holeshot Video |
Posted By: Donald80SN
Date Posted: November-28-2014 at 9:22pm
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Greg, this was a great move. Sure your family will miss the use of the beautiful 2005 - 206 that you picked up last year, but think of the fun that my family will have with that 2005 206 next summer since you will be enjoying this sweet ride. You are a giver, Donald
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Posted By: NCH20SKIER
Date Posted: November-28-2014 at 10:05pm
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Thanks everyone - I am sure that there will be many surprises with this gem. Will try to start it up next time I am home for a bit. Think it will get some mystery oil in the cylinders tomorrow for good measure and then some fresh oil, fresh gas (temp gas can method) and new impeller and see what happens.... ------------- '05 206 Limited '88 BFN |
Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: November-28-2014 at 10:06pm
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Just where you keeping all our old cast off junkers anyway Don? ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1711&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970" rel="nofollow - 69 Mustang HM SS 95 Nautique Super Sport |
Posted By: NCH20SKIER
Date Posted: November-28-2014 at 10:08pm
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Joe Not sure that this is one that you may have seen advertised elsewhere. Was sitting in a driveway with the for sale sign on the bow stop - have not seen this on CL. Thinking that I got a pretty good deal. ------------- '05 206 Limited '88 BFN |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: November-28-2014 at 10:23pm
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There was a similar looking one on raliegh CL Greg, I'm guessing it's one and the same? Good looking boat either way! Gary, the HM's dropped to a plebeian 8.5:1 around the same time the circ pump was added in late 72 or '73 per Reid... Probably what he meant on this being slightly more desirable (though joe could very well be right about the heads). |
Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: November-28-2014 at 10:50pm
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Seeing that Johns is marked 10.5 to 1 it had me confused but in retrospect Tim I suppose the lower compression was done at the same time across the automotive product line to lower emissions ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1711&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970" rel="nofollow - 69 Mustang HM SS 95 Nautique Super Sport |
Posted By: dwouncmd
Date Posted: November-29-2014 at 9:04am
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Nice. Can't wait to see it run. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=6535&sort=&pagenum=2" rel="nofollow - 89 SN <a href="http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=6567&sort=&pagenum=1" rel="nofollow">7 |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: November-29-2014 at 9:58am
I wonder what the CR was on the automotive blocks in 72/73? Did HM go along with other marinizers and just add the needed bolt on's to build a marine engine? That would explain the circ pump as well - no special block off plate needed. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: November-29-2014 at 10:40am
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Automotive 302's were 9.5 in 70 9 in 71 8.5 in 72 8 in 73. 351 4v Clevelands went from 11 to 1 to 8 in the same time period! Not following you on the pump though, the front mount was also the block off plate anyway. They must have just bolted the pump on to the front of the plate and eliminated the Y pipe ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1711&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970" rel="nofollow - 69 Mustang HM SS 95 Nautique Super Sport |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: November-29-2014 at 10:47am
Gary, The marinizers during the later years went to getting the circ pumps along with the basic engines. That way they didn't need ether a casting or plate to bolt on where the circ pump goes. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: Smithfamily
Date Posted: November-29-2014 at 11:10am
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Nice! Good luck with it! ------------- Js |
Posted By: Kristof
Date Posted: November-29-2014 at 11:47am
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Congrats! Nice find ------------- - Gun control means: using BOTH hands! - Money doesn't make one happy, but when it rains cats and dogs, it's still better to cry in a Porsche than on a bicycle... |
Posted By: Donald80SN
Date Posted: November-29-2014 at 12:11pm
Gary, I will worry about that when one of my scams finally pays off. So far no boats have showed up.  Donald 
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Posted By: john b
Date Posted: November-30-2014 at 4:44am
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H ------------- 1970 Mustang "Theseus' paradox" If everyone else is doing it, you're too late! |
Posted By: john b
Date Posted: November-30-2014 at 5:05am
Both of mine have double sheaved pulleys.
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Posted By: NCH20SKIER
Date Posted: November-30-2014 at 9:33am
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John / Gary / Joe / Others On your plug wires - did you go with angled boots or straight. Seems like the straights are VERY tight to the manifolds and are a son of a gun to remove - ------------- '05 206 Limited '88 BFN |
Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: November-30-2014 at 10:36am
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Greg in your other thread I posted a couple of pic's,in the last one all the way to the right you can see one plug end,it is a short 90. I used short 90's on the cap end too. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1711&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970" rel="nofollow - 69 Mustang HM SS 95 Nautique Super Sport |
Posted By: john b
Date Posted: November-30-2014 at 2:14pm
Gary, do you think the plug wire fitment is the same for the original heads with the angled plugs? ------------- 1970 Mustang "Theseus' paradox" If everyone else is doing it, you're too late! |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: November-30-2014 at 2:58pm
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Greg, Looking at your picture of the alternator belt and then Johns, it sure looks like your belt is riding very low in the crank sheave. Check it out as the belt may be just worn. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: November-30-2014 at 2:58pm
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I used the same wires on both heads John. When I get home I'll look in the parts book and see what if anything it shows. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1711&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970" rel="nofollow - 69 Mustang HM SS 95 Nautique Super Sport |
Posted By: john b
Date Posted: November-30-2014 at 5:02pm
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Greg's belt is also riding in the front position. There must be a difference in the sheave to allow it to run in alignment on the front position. Mine run on the rear position. It doesn't look like there is any spacer between the alternator and the block off plate so something's different. ------------- 1970 Mustang "Theseus' paradox" If everyone else is doing it, you're too late! |
Posted By: reidp
Date Posted: December-07-2014 at 5:16pm
Just as a follow up to this and Gary's post about declining comp ratios similar to the auto industry, there was definitely somewhat of a parallel, but HM was an anomaly in the marine industry for just a 1/2 dozen years there at there onset. They were the only marine engine company at the time using the auto maker's higher compression. i.e., premium fuel long blocks, mainly in the 4bbl versions. (For those of old enough to remember or to have gone back and read up, most all 4bbl auto engines up thru at least 1970, Ford 1971, were premium fuel engines, with 9.5 to 11.+ compression from the factories.) For obvious reasons almost all marine engine companies typically used the lower compression, lower HP versions of the auto long blocks. I guess maybe as a result of their racing heritage HM decided to market those higher compression/higher HP engine to their customers. Some history: HM 289-4V 225HP (10.0:1 cr) Interceptor 289-4V 210HP (cr somewhere around 8.5-9:1) 1968?-70 HM 302-4V Original 235HP engine (10.5 cr listed on eng tag) no circ pump Interceptor 302-4V 210 HP (same typ lower cr) 1971-72 HM 302-4V 235HP (9.5 cr on eng tag). This coincided with advent of this 351 head/cam "marine pkg" from Ford to marine eng builders for the 302 which resulted in the new and sometimes confusing 351 firing order for 302- 4V engines. 1971-On 302-4V engines from everyone else (Crusader, Waukesha, Commander, PCM, Palmer) were rated at anywhere from 215 to 225 HP, and most all from what I've read had the typical 8.5 +/- cr. Only thing I've never figured out here is how HM came up with the higher 9.5 cr than everyone else and if really did still have 235 HP. Previously I'd just rationalized that they dropped the 10.5 comp b/c of the slightly bigger cc 351 head chamber but made up the HP thru better head flow and cam, but unless they, HM, put 351 heads on std flat top 302 4V shortblocks, then they'd have the same compression as everyone else, and thus very similar HP. I've yet to open an orig 71-72 HM 302 to see if it had different pistons from any others. Almost did this past year but Moody Blue's compression tests just looked too good, and she only needed that rear seal after 43 yrs of service. So then, while 1973-on 302s have a ID tag labeling them as a "model" 235, the specs list them as only 215HP and only having 8.5 compression, and which is no longer shown on the engine tag. From that point on they were obviously the same core engines used by all the other makers. '73 also marked the beginning of HM using the standard circ water pump. Much smaller area of curiosity were the HM 351-4V's that were referred to as the model 290. Similarly to the 302s, the 1969-1972 thereabouts 351-4V engines had 10.7:1 compression and 290HP identical to the 1969 auto engines. I'd like one of them:-). After that point the compression fell in line with everyone else's as did the mundane 250HP. Tune in tomorrow as we'll discuss the Palmer-Crusader 302 connection. jk:-) but sorry I've been lagging so much lately. ------------- ReidP /diaries/details.asp?ID=231&yrstart=1971&yrend=1975 - 1973 Mustang |
Posted By: john b
Date Posted: December-07-2014 at 11:30pm
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Thanks for taking the time to post that information Reid. In the book "Holman Moody, The Legendary Race Team", Howard DeHart of Holman Moody related "Ford would build special "Marine Spec" engines for us, like a 302 with 351 heads for the larger valves". The top H/M marine engine was a Boss 429 that turned out 580HP @ 6,000RPM. My 302s have heads that say "hecho en Mexico. I have read that the blocks from Mexico in this era were preferred because they were stronger due at least in part to the higher nickel content in the castings. I read somewhere that the heads made in Mexico were also preferred but I don't know why. Possibly the chamber size was different? Possibly the 235HP 302s had 351 heads? I don't know. I will check when I get a chance. I think it's time to read my Holman Moody book again but there is very little on HMM in the book. ------------- 1970 Mustang "Theseus' paradox" If everyone else is doing it, you're too late! |
Posted By: NCH20SKIER
Date Posted: December-21-2014 at 5:00pm
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Messed around with the boat some this weekend. Installed new impeller, oil change, plugs / wires and cleaned out the leaves, pulled out the seats and Astro turf to find some incredibly brittle vinyl underneath. Hope to install a temp fuel line and see if I can get this jewel to fire up next week. http://s934.photobucket.com/user/inboardfan/media/537FEFD9-9EFA-4360-BBD8-7D5D741BF223_zpsdstxo6hc.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  [/IMG]http://s934.photobucket.com/user/inboardfan/media/537FEFD9-9EFA-4360-BBD8-7D5D741BF223_zpsdstxo6hc.jpg.html" rel="nofollow"> [/IMG]http://s934.photobucket.com/user/inboardfan/media/E311FEBF-43D6-4AE4-860A-F2C8556709E5_zpsyv5xh0th.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  [/IMG]From the back of the seats - guess they are the originals http://s934.photobucket.com/user/inboardfan/media/CF30239F-2AD7-4EEE-8E9F-63604233D17B_zps2ylseicd.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  [/IMG]------------- '05 206 Limited '88 BFN |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: December-21-2014 at 10:23pm
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Greg, It looks like you are moving forward on the project. Keep us informed and the pictures coming. Are you thinking about keeping it original and using the vinyl wall covering on the sole? Of course, that's my recommendation!  ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: NCH20SKIER
Date Posted: December-21-2014 at 10:42pm
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Pete, Going to wait and she what happens next week when it's time to see if it runs but I am thinking it will be a fun boat to have at the dock If it stays with me the plan would be to keep it "as it was" as much as possible. So far the only thing I have noticed that may need to be added would be thee rope guard on the stern as the lifting eye looks like it could be caught by a ski rope (may be how the lifting eye was bent - but I wouldn't think so). ------------- '05 206 Limited '88 BFN |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: December-21-2014 at 11:26pm
| Greg, does the boat have a pylon? The only ones I've seen without rope clearance bars are the ones that have ladders, or no pylon. If it has a pylon, look for evidence of where the clearance bar mounted... The 2nd gen stangs are usually a little fancier and had bars that wrapped the whole stern. |
Posted By: NCH20SKIER
Date Posted: December-21-2014 at 11:48pm
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Tim, Yes to the pylon, when the PO stepped and went through the floor the took it out. Currently it resides in my basement. No visible signs of the rope guard on the deck but I will look closer later this week. Perhaps under the dirt and grime there is some lingering evidence of what may have been. The boat will be introduced to some soap and water this week as well  ------------- '05 206 Limited '88 BFN |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: December-22-2014 at 12:00am
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Post a pic of the pylon. If that square flange goes with it and it's 2.5" diameter then it was added later (they were smaller diameter before '75-76). It would be pretty easy to add the older style clearance bar- just need to bend some stock into shape and screw it down. |
Posted By: NCH20SKIER
Date Posted: December-22-2014 at 12:07am
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Tim It is a 2-1/2" pylon. If you look at the pic above the seat back pic above you can see the female receiver in the bilge. Perhaps the soap and water need to make it to the bilge as well before all the fun begins ------------- '05 206 Limited '88 BFN |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: December-22-2014 at 8:14am
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All boats got the female cup in the hull regardless of being optioned with a pylon from the factory or dealer. Sounds like yours was added sometime later (after 75), hence no clearance bar. Maybe they decided to add one after bending the lifting ring! I would guess that someone has posted the size stock needed to make one... Shouldn't be too bad of a job. |
Posted By: john b
Date Posted: December-22-2014 at 2:09pm
I hope this is a help.This is from my 70 Mustang. The 69SS had a huge concoction made from deck rail and fittings that are available today, but it was fugly imo.Maybe someone will recognize the stock this is made from. The bends on the bottom are at about an 85* angle probably to give it a little more resistance to bending at the deck.    ------------- 1970 Mustang "Theseus' paradox" If everyone else is doing it, you're too late! |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: December-22-2014 at 2:32pm
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John, Yours is a hollow back SS half oval but I've seen them made in a solid back too which is stronger. http://www.mcmaster.com/#stainless-steel-half-rounds/=v4wjwb" rel="nofollow - Half round SS - no holes ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: December-22-2014 at 2:36pm
| Can't say I've ever seen a boat with a solid back half round clearance bar. Many '71+ boats have tubular clearance bars, that's what I have on my Skier. I'd probably stick with what John posted though. |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: December-22-2014 at 2:39pm
The hollow back is available too but the problem is finding it without pre drilled holes every 6". Yes on the standard railing and fittings. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: December-22-2014 at 2:53pm
Not sure what you mean by "standard rail and fittings", Pete... That's not what I was referring to.
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Posted By: john b
Date Posted: December-22-2014 at 2:58pm
This was on the 69SS. Standard deck fittings. Very effective, but I don't like it. ------------- 1970 Mustang "Theseus' paradox" If everyone else is doing it, you're too late! |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: December-22-2014 at 2:59pm
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That flimsy hollow back half oval thing shaved my toe on JDD's mustang. ------------- |
Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: December-22-2014 at 3:08pm
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Ah the good old days- only the strongest survived ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1711&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970" rel="nofollow - 69 Mustang HM SS 95 Nautique Super Sport |
Posted By: Mojo
Date Posted: December-22-2014 at 3:21pm
Yeah that's a stock clearance bar from about 74-77' Had one on my Tique and nautique from that time period. Yes, they were big, ugly and hard to jump over...  ------------- 05' SV211 TE 73' Martinique had:96' SNOB had:76' Nautique had 77 Tique |
Posted By: Riley
Date Posted: December-22-2014 at 3:27pm
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We've got the hollow one our 66 Mustang and have a solid one like Pete's talking about that came with the newer style 68 pylon off of one of 62 Wood's junkers. That 74 long tube type is ugly and seems like it would bend and kink pretty easily. Hollywood, I don't know what you were doing scaling JDD's rope guide, but it'll bite right into gel coat when you're either installing it or removing it, so I imagine it took a nice chunk of meat out of your toe. |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: December-22-2014 at 3:32pm
I was referring to the system CC used just like John posted. Same as Dave mentioned as well as what's on my Tique. BTW, the "standard rail" is tubing. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: December-22-2014 at 3:39pm
Well you quoted me and that's still not what I was talking about!  Did my picture not come though?The later (74-78) clearance bars do look a little funny, at least on an older boat. They're a bit flimsy for sure- that's one thing all of these clearance bars have in common! I remind all guests that they are NOT hand rails, ha. I guess the later bars don't pose as much of a public safety threat though... Reminds me of the metal trimmed motorbox that came down on my ankle, yuck. |
Posted By: john b
Date Posted: December-22-2014 at 3:46pm
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Were the vents moved to the center in about 69 to allow for a smaller clearance bar? It would be a bad day if someone tried to use my flimsy style for boarding, or even a hand hold at the dock. ------------- 1970 Mustang "Theseus' paradox" If everyone else is doing it, you're too late! |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: December-22-2014 at 3:49pm
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Tim, Your picture did not come through. http://www.go2marine.com/product/92564F/sea-dog-rail-base-fittings-round-and-rectangular-bases.html" rel="nofollow - These are what I was talking about. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: December-22-2014 at 3:52pm
No picture here, Pete? Shows up fine on my end, but I posted it! We are talking about different clearance bar styles. John, no changes to the clearance bars for '69. The moving of the scoops from the outer corners to the middle sure made that clearance bar more useful though... Those corner scoops were rope catchers! |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: December-22-2014 at 3:58pm
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Tim, Yes, I see it now. Sorry I glanced by it thinking it was another picture of the half oval. What was used at the base for deck fittings? ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: December-22-2014 at 4:01pm
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It's flattened at the ends and screwed down directly, just like the half oval. Probably a little trickier to make at home because of that, which is why I suggested sticking with the half oval anyways... Though Hw may argue that the bar stock is safer! I'll try to remember to snap a good pic over the holiday break. This one is a little better: 
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Posted By: Riley
Date Posted: December-22-2014 at 4:39pm
| JDD must have had a swim platform on his boat. Why else would you be climbing over it? |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: December-22-2014 at 4:48pm
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[/IMG]Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: December-22-2014 at 5:01pm
Or a ladder Bruce I'm thinking of taking mine off,if my gelcoat mix is still good ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1711&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970" rel="nofollow - 69 Mustang HM SS 95 Nautique Super Sport |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: December-22-2014 at 5:09pm
Fixed it for you, Gary. ;) Olive oyle ('70) and my cousins '68 both have original ladders and no clearance bar... Apparently for good reason (besides physically interfering in their mounting locations). http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2041 |
Posted By: JDD33
Date Posted: December-22-2014 at 9:28pm
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Hmmmmm......I don't recall the shaved toe incident.......  The Mustang is back for a while I could check for any leftover toe parts... ------------- Old school goin back to school! |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: December-22-2014 at 11:58pm
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It was a hot pick up, and drop off a sunset multi-man barefoot run after a long day of drinking. I remember clipping that rope guard climbing into the boat and thinking, man that thing is majorly in the way. John had beer on board and I chugged one on the way to meeting up with the crew. Then I threw up in my mouth on the next deep water. My toe was burning and later I saw most of the skin was gone from the top knuckle. So, sorry for any blood stains in or around the back of the back of the boat. ------------- |
Posted By: JDD33
Date Posted: December-23-2014 at 12:16am
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Ok it's starting to come back..... Sorry bout the toe, after Christmas I'll go out and check the guard and if the edges are still sharp I'll smooth/round them off a bit! ------------- Old school goin back to school! |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: December-23-2014 at 12:29am
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Nature of the beast. I don't think I even realized it was there, let alone had the coordination and agility to clear the clearance bar... ------------- |
Posted By: NCH20SKIER
Date Posted: December-24-2014 at 3:18pm
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Gave a look today for evidence of the rope guard and clean up the top sides a bit - no signs of a rope guard that may have been installed /removed - same goes for a ladder unless someone was good with repairs. Good news is that it the top sides cleaned up well and most of the accessories work - no blower/ horn. http://s934.photobucket.com/user/inboardfan/media/imagejpg4_zps91dddbef.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  [/IMG]http://s934.photobucket.com/user/inboardfan/media/imagejpg1_zps87d482f5.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  [/IMG]Battery is on the charger and weather permitting tomorrow could be the day to reconnect the hoses and turn the key. ------------- '05 206 Limited '88 BFN |
Posted By: john b
Date Posted: December-24-2014 at 4:27pm
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it is cleaning up nicely, can't wait for a video of it running. It looks very clean with those glass vents and no clearance bar. I don't see any evidence of a stern light, is there one on there? ------------- 1970 Mustang "Theseus' paradox" If everyone else is doing it, you're too late! |
Posted By: 74Wind
Date Posted: December-24-2014 at 4:37pm
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look at the transom you can see the stern light ------------- 1974 Southwind 18 1975 Century Mark II |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: December-24-2014 at 4:39pm
John, It's the era of the white transom light and the all around white on the windshield. Yes, It sure is cleaning up great. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: NCH20SKIER
Date Posted: December-24-2014 at 4:50pm
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John The stern lights are as noted above - pics below. Obviously the one on the windshield rotates up. http://s934.photobucket.com/user/inboardfan/media/imagejpg1_zps1282c140.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  [/IMG]http://s934.photobucket.com/user/inboardfan/media/imagejpg2_zps138066d3.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  [/IMG]------------- '05 206 Limited '88 BFN |
Posted By: john b
Date Posted: December-24-2014 at 5:14pm
Thanks.  ------------- 1970 Mustang "Theseus' paradox" If everyone else is doing it, you're too late! |
Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: December-24-2014 at 5:40pm
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Looking good! ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1711&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970" rel="nofollow - 69 Mustang HM SS 95 Nautique Super Sport |
Posted By: seacamper
Date Posted: December-24-2014 at 8:36pm
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You can get Rob Bemman to make you up one of these: http://s266.photobucket.com/user/turninggrey/media/IMG_0208.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  ------------- 1980 Ski Nautique Boat Bar 1988 Mastercraft Tristar Open Bow 1988 Mastercraft Tristar Closed Bow 1969 Seacamper Houseboat 1986 Harris Pontoon 2004 Seadoo GTX SC + Flydive Xboard 1999 Adventurecraft |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: December-24-2014 at 9:18pm
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What are you going to do about the big hole in the floor where the pylon goes? ------------- |
Posted By: NCH20SKIER
Date Posted: December-24-2014 at 9:39pm
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That pylon is going back in. I am considering if it runs decent I may bring it to the SJRR to get some advice / tuning done ------------- '05 206 Limited '88 BFN |
Posted By: NCH20SKIER
Date Posted: December-24-2014 at 9:43pm
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Tom Did Ron make that one and is it solid bar stock? Ron is a pretty handy fella. ------------- '05 206 Limited '88 BFN |
Posted By: seacamper
Date Posted: December-24-2014 at 10:21pm
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Yes, he did. It was $170 installed with backer plates on it so kids could hang on to it all day without breaking it. It really helps them step in from the platform. ------------- 1980 Ski Nautique Boat Bar 1988 Mastercraft Tristar Open Bow 1988 Mastercraft Tristar Closed Bow 1969 Seacamper Houseboat 1986 Harris Pontoon 2004 Seadoo GTX SC + Flydive Xboard 1999 Adventurecraft |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: December-25-2014 at 11:40am
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No original pylon means it likely wouldn't have had a clearance bar. I wouldn't put the 74+ style like that on a '71... The triangle style or a full up ladder would look much better. Cleaning up really nicely! Make sure to soak the cylinders with ATF if it hasn't spun over in a while. Rotating it by hand with a breaker bar before reaching for the key isnt a bad idea either. Crank bolt is 15/16". Fun little holiday project you've got there! |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: December-25-2014 at 12:37pm
Tim, Thanks for your original comments.  I especially like the ladder without a swim platform idea. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: December-25-2014 at 12:44pm
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HM also recommends that before startup each season to pull the valve covers and oil up the valve train. Their style of exhausts makes removing the covers easy. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1711&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970" rel="nofollow - 69 Mustang HM SS 95 Nautique Super Sport |
Posted By: NCH20SKIER
Date Posted: December-25-2014 at 3:26pm
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Tim The cylinders got a mystery oil soaking and turning last weekend in advance of the oil change.. I would be ok with a period correct pylon if one can be located. I would suppose that absent a pylon towing was from the lifting eye. ------------- '05 206 Limited '88 BFN |
Posted By: NCH20SKIER
Date Posted: December-25-2014 at 7:01pm
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So I popped the valve covers off and not that I know what to look for - it appeared good to me - no rust, some (minor) visible oil. I did see the heads wer stamped 351 and WF. Anything I should look for of particular importance? ------------- '05 206 Limited '88 BFN |
Posted By: john b
Date Posted: December-25-2014 at 7:45pm
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That is really interesting. My Holman Moody book said they got 302 engines from Ford for marinization with 351 heads. My H/M 302/235hp 4V has 302 heads on it ( also WFs). I can tell the heads have been off by the unpainted head gaskets. I now wonder if someone did a valve/head job and just got rebuilt 302s as an exchange, not knowing any better? If so it probably isn't 10.5:1 any more. Makes me think I need the GT40P heads or at least the original 351 heads if I can find them. I'm taking a look at the spare engine tomorrow to confirm what it has. It is a 210hp 2V with lower compression though. Sounds like yours may be the most original H/M powered boat out there. Does your tag say 10.5:1 CR? Post a photo of it if you get a chance. ------------- 1970 Mustang "Theseus' paradox" If everyone else is doing it, you're too late! |
Posted By: 65 'cuda
Date Posted: December-25-2014 at 8:58pm
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I may have what you need for the pylon, out of my 73. Tim or someone else will know if it is the right diameter, but I suspect it is. I'll get some measurements if you would like. Gary ------------- Gary http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=941" rel="nofollow - 1965 Barracuda SS |
Posted By: NCH20SKIER
Date Posted: December-25-2014 at 9:03pm
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Gary That would be great - appreciate it. ------------- '05 206 Limited '88 BFN |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: December-26-2014 at 10:14am
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The '73-75 pylon is smaller diameter than the 2.5" used 76+, but the style is not the same as the pylons used 68-72. They're aluminum instead of steel and use the newer 2-piece ring and finger that was offered through '87. I have pics somewhere I could dig up. 76+ with the larger diameter, and more importantly, the flange and backing plate at the floor, are a functional upgrade for sure. I wouldn't go swapping out an originally pylon, but since you already have the newer one, I'd probably opt to use it if you can't find a period correct one by the time the floor is done. Greg, I'd say you're right- no original pylon meant the rear lifting rib would have served tow duty. I bet that lasted a few years- until they bent it.
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Posted By: NCH20SKIER
Date Posted: December-26-2014 at 10:17am
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John See below pictures. http://s934.photobucket.com/user/inboardfan/media/EBFD4DEC-7D41-4B48-B277-6856D3F99DA7_zpswh4wpnss.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  [/IMG]http://s934.photobucket.com/user/inboardfan/media/F3A0CCB3-EA79-4F38-9456-68E1F8339449_zpsrimxbzkj.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  [/IMG]http://s934.photobucket.com/user/inboardfan/media/6FBBFC71-D743-4B84-9F84-237C482213C5_zpsque4odeu.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  [/IMG]http://s934.photobucket.com/user/inboardfan/media/D74BF7BB-6858-4B80-B54D-CEC6F5270EB3_zpsimqajr4o.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  [/IMG]------------- '05 206 Limited '88 BFN |
Posted By: NCH20SKIER
Date Posted: December-26-2014 at 3:19pm
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Succes in the driveway on the hose so off to the ramp we go with two boats and a tow rope...... ------------- '05 206 Limited '88 BFN |
Posted By: IAughtNaut
Date Posted: December-26-2014 at 4:25pm
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nice, good luck ------------- bring the ruckus http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5347" rel="nofollow - 2000 Pro Air |
Posted By: NCH20SKIER
Date Posted: December-26-2014 at 7:53pm
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Got to the ramp and went to launch the 206 and son of a gun would not start - no tow boat for the maiden launch of the Mustang. Heck with it - Kristin back me in and hop in......... Off we go with about 4 gallons of fuel and a half of a paddle (paddle blade split). Buzzed over to the house to pick up Luke and some liquid nourishment for the body and away we went.....got about 3 miles from the house and as Imwas turning around a couple of burps, backfires and stall. Would not start (nothing at the turn of the key - figured a bad ground so fiddled for a moment and then paddled shore and had wife come get me in the truck with the thoughts of getting the 206 or lining up a tow home. No go on the 206 so back to the boat to get Luke only to get there and find no boat and no Luke....He jumbled the ignition wires behind the dash and away he went. Boat cut out on him as well but we discovered the temp fuel set up must have allowed the fuel to shift and permit the fuel line to grab some air causing the earlier burp / stall. Boy that was a QUICK draining of fuel. Did find out the boat is a bit of a bouncer like Jackie's and yes this thing will get up and go....Kristin says it may be tiny but it is fierce. No internet at the lake house so the video will need to wait until I can grab some free wifi. http://s934.photobucket.com/user/inboardfan/media/927E9BFF-E134-4AC6-9C01-F75227FE21A4_zpsc1cr2w5j.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  [/IMG]http://s934.photobucket.com/user/inboardfan/media/7EE688E5-8DED-4CD6-ACDF-3E7A63EA057E_zpstw5gacyt.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  [/IMG]http://s934.photobucket.com/user/inboardfan/media/640092CB-BA53-46F4-9545-CD97ABD260AB_zpskgwk5fjo.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  [/IMG]------------- '05 206 Limited '88 BFN |
Posted By: NCH20SKIER
Date Posted: December-26-2014 at 8:00pm
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Had to make sure Luke was in a pic http://s934.photobucket.com/user/inboardfan/media/C2DA8568-AB1F-4FF9-9EFD-D7F24B67B2C8_zps38cr8aqa.png.html" rel="nofollow">  [/IMG]------------- '05 206 Limited '88 BFN |
Posted By: IAughtNaut
Date Posted: December-26-2014 at 8:07pm
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Greg, that's a great shot of you and Kristin, glad it runs, even if it's not perfect, yet. ------------- bring the ruckus http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5347" rel="nofollow - 2000 Pro Air |
Posted By: Donald80SN
Date Posted: December-26-2014 at 8:11pm
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Very Cool. You are months ahead of schedule on getting this unit ready of SJRR. It was a nice day to be on the water today. Nice work. |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: December-26-2014 at 10:14pm
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Great news. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: john b
Date Posted: December-26-2014 at 10:17pm
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Fantastic! I can't wait for more. Fierce? I like it! ------------- 1970 Mustang "Theseus' paradox" If everyone else is doing it, you're too late! |
Posted By: Morfoot
Date Posted: December-27-2014 at 9:53am
A Holman Moody will do that for ya. Haven't been in a CC where it DIDN'T!Great that y'all got her running and I look fwd to meeting her and driving her a bit at the river here in a few months. ------------- "Morfoot; He can ski. He can wakeboard.He can cook chicken.He can create his own self-named beverage, & can also apparently fly. A man of many talents."72 Mustang "Kermit",88 SN Miss Scarlett, 99 SN "Sherman" |
Posted By: The Godfather
Date Posted: December-27-2014 at 10:17am
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Fast little boat indeed !! Gotta love the sound too. :) ------------- Jbear, said to me wow if it was'nt for this site we would never had met for this to happen.... |