Need help w I.D.-vintage CC-twin engines-old
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Topic: Need help w I.D.-vintage CC-twin engines-old
Posted By: Diver1111
Subject: Need help w I.D.-vintage CC-twin engines-old
Date Posted: October-26-2014 at 12:09am
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Hi All, I'm new to your forum and am doing research on a very big vintage CorrectCraft I found in 60 feet of water in Lake Winnipesaukee here in N.H. on side scan sonar. I am a diver and wreck hunter and of the 70 wrecks I have found in Lake Winnipesaukee not one had twins-this one does. I have a punctured eardrum I'm healing from and couldn't dive it this summer but my buddy did for me. He took a crude video which I will improve upon this Spring w/my GoPro when I dive it. Can anyone tell me more about this cool old boat with twins? Without having dived it I speculate it's from the 1930's or so. Crude video here: http://youtu.be/N7yBwOj3wmM The SECOND boat in the video is the CC-the first vessel is another wreck nearby. Thank you all. |
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Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: October-26-2014 at 12:36am
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Hans, CC did at one time build some large cruisers. The reference section here on CCfan has some pictures. There's not enough video to get a idea of what you found. Why do you feel it's a CC? http://youtu.be/N7yBwOj3wmM" rel="nofollow - For the convenience of all, here's a proper link to your video ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: Diver1111
Date Posted: October-26-2014 at 1:01am
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Because my buddy found a foot pad on the gunwhale that said Correct Craft. I found a beautiful 25' Century Raven that I ID'd the same way. Thanks! Much better video to follow in the Spring. |
Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: October-26-2014 at 1:08am
Soft spots in the floor,finishing ax marks on stringer ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1711&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970" rel="nofollow - 69 Mustang HM SS 95 Nautique Super Sport |
8122pbrainard wrote:Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: October-26-2014 at 1:12am
  ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: IAughtNaut
Date Posted: October-26-2014 at 1:25am
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that is possibly the most confusing video I've ever seen... is Leonardo diCaprio gonna show up at some point? where's that fat naked chick? seriously, can we have some pics on dry land? ------------- bring the ruckus http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5347" rel="nofollow - 2000 Pro Air |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: October-26-2014 at 1:30am
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I'm trying to ID the engines. They look very familiar. I may have to email the video to a friend. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: GlassSeeker
Date Posted: October-26-2014 at 3:17am
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Wow pretty cool I think it'll buff out ------------- This is the life |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: October-26-2014 at 3:15pm
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Diving creeps me out but this is really fascinating. Cool stuff, looking forward to more video! ------------- |
Posted By: Orlando76
Date Posted: October-26-2014 at 3:45pm
| I've dove everywhere in FL including under FL in most caves. I hold nearly every recreational certification and several professional certifications. But wrecks creep me the hell out! I get the creeps even watching videos. |
Posted By: DrCC
Date Posted: October-26-2014 at 5:59pm
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Gray Marine, Scripps or Kermath. Plumbing looks more Kermath to me. Those 3 should give you a good starting point. Good luck. |
Posted By: peter1234
Date Posted: October-26-2014 at 7:52pm
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how long would you guys say that boat is ? it is even more oddly porportioned than some of the gar woods of the 30s.. beam width? ------------- former skylark owner now a formula but I cant let this place go |
Posted By: Riley
Date Posted: October-26-2014 at 8:37pm
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Interesting video. I'm surprised there are so many wrecks in Winnipesaukee. That first boat is really long and narrow. Let us know what you find out about the boat. We boat on Sebago Lake and there's always been a story about 2 British Corsairs that crashed over the lake training during WWII. About 10 years ago a guy came to the lake to find and retrieve them. He found them and videoed them, but was unable to retrieve them as the State of Maine and British government protested. Here's a link to the video of one of the planes. Talk about spooky. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yYNd6Msp9s" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yYNd6Msp9s |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: October-26-2014 at 9:35pm
I have a feeling the first boat is a kind of rowing shell due to it's beam, length and all the oar locks. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: phatsat67
Date Posted: October-27-2014 at 10:02am
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Kermath engines are some serious hulks. There was a 1929 Dart 25' or so in a building up by our lake places. It had a massive Kermath marine engine it. It always fascinated me. ------------- |
Posted By: skutsch
Date Posted: October-27-2014 at 12:48pm
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Anxious to see more video. Doesn't look like there is much left of the actual hull or cabin - going to be difficult to ID. Hopefully you can do some careful examination of the Stringers (Framework inside the hull) and find an ID tag stamped with the hull number. Typically they are of the format X-### (an alpha character with a dash followed by a number). They are typically very small, 2"x 3" or smaller. Cool Stuff! ------------- Our http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4669" rel="nofollow - 98 Sport Nautique My Dad's 63 Ski N |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: October-27-2014 at 12:59pm
Zack, Kermath made a pretty broad range of engines including small 1,2 and 4 cylinders. Then of course there were the 6's and 8's. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: October-27-2014 at 1:01pm
Stave, I believe the big cruisers were made in Titusville. I'm not sure what serial numbering system they used. Maybe someone will have an answer. Art? Dave? ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: phatsat67
Date Posted: October-27-2014 at 1:12pm
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Pete, I believe the Dart was spinning a massive 6 cylinder. ------------- |
Posted By: phatsat67
Date Posted: October-27-2014 at 1:17pm
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Looked a lot like this Pete. http://antiqueboatamerica.com/admin/pictures/6/28/31842%281%29.JPG" rel="nofollow - Kermath Such Cool Lettering and valve cover ------------- |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: October-27-2014 at 4:34pm
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From Ted Cartner who is the best antique/classic engine rebuilder I know of, the engines are Gray Marines. The T stat housing and the generator housing is the key. He's going to study the picture some more to see if he can ID the series. I knew they looked familiar! ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: Diver1111
Date Posted: October-27-2014 at 10:03pm
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Hi All, I knew you folks could help thanks. I love old boats as well as a good mystery. I also decided to call CC in Florida today and I spoke with a man who knew immediately who I should call, one Art Cozier. Here is a summary of what Art and I talked about: Very few twins were made. Original business started was in Ossipee, NH (about 10 miles east of Wolfboro, NH and Lake Winnipesaukee, where I found this boat). One of 3 possible models: Fish Nautique - 23 feet - Very few Fish twins-less than 5 of these models total were ever made San Juan - 24 feet - 3 versions of the San Juan: Cuddy, Flybridge (might have a cuddy too) and straight open cockpit - Deep V, tubby kind of boat Sea Nautique - 27 feet - Very few Sea twins-less than 12 of these models total ever made My boat is probably a San Juan; Early 1960’s-1976; Powered with 302’s. One San Juan model in the 1950's was all wood. All 3 Models had wooden stringers; Later they were ‘glass and wood. More to come. Thanks again everyone. I can't wait to dive this thing and get clear piks and video in the Spring. |
Posted By: fanofccfan
Date Posted: October-27-2014 at 10:08pm
| I am far from an expert on boats but she looks a bit older than 1960's. Cool video tho. |
Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: October-27-2014 at 10:15pm
We all agree Alan did some amazing work on the Hurricane. Maybe he's ready for a new challenge ?  Some cpes and a lick of paint and she be ready to go.------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1711&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970" rel="nofollow - 69 Mustang HM SS 95 Nautique Super Sport |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: October-27-2014 at 10:18pm
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Hans, The twin engine boat you found is wood. The 3 boat ideas Art mentioned are fiberglass. Plus, The Gray marine engines I (Ted) ID'd are 6 cylinder flat heads. The 302's Art mentioned are overhead valve V8's. The exception would be the 1 San Juan that was wood but, I feel the boat is older than the 60's. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: October-27-2014 at 10:22pm
Your are correct. I feel Art is off base on this one or he was given bad information. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: Orlando76
Date Posted: October-27-2014 at 10:49pm
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The Sea, Fish and San Juan were the last on my mind when I saw the video. Did Art see the video? I though it was strange Art said the 3 models were all wood stringers.... Surely the Sea and Fish and almost all SJ's were glass over wood. What did the open cock pit SJ look like? |
Posted By: Riley
Date Posted: October-27-2014 at 10:56pm
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40's or 50's. Highly doubtful 60's. Art probably didn't know they were flat heads. I hope your ear heals well. Post back and let us know of your progress. |
Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: October-27-2014 at 11:19pm
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I also think that by the time Art was active at the factory, the wood boats were a memory,of course with the exception of the Paragon ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1711&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970" rel="nofollow - 69 Mustang HM SS 95 Nautique Super Sport |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: October-28-2014 at 12:25am
With the exception of Mr. Ralph, I don't believe anyone at the factory goes back to the wood boat era. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: Senter Cove Guy
Date Posted: October-28-2014 at 1:08am
| Thanks to Diver1111's willingness to share side scan information with me, I've dived this double engine wreck twice this year. Where would we most likely find the engine manufacturer's plate on the engines? Based upon other wrecks I've seen in Lake Winnipesaukee, this wreck is way older than 1960's. |
Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: October-28-2014 at 1:22am
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Just possibly Ken would remember the tail end of wood era but when your just a kid you wouldn't pay attention to that stuff. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1711&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970" rel="nofollow - 69 Mustang HM SS 95 Nautique Super Sport |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: October-28-2014 at 9:45am
There are 3 places I suggest looking. The valve cover, the trans cover and in some cases Gray put the engine specs on the exhaust manifold plate. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: Diver1111
Date Posted: August-20-2015 at 10:16pm
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Here is a 2nd video; As clear as I could get it under the conditions. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRUDbHfXP_A |
Posted By: Diver1111
Date Posted: August-20-2015 at 10:18pm
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Here is a 2nd video, as clear as I could get it under the conditions. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRUDbHfXP_A |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: August-20-2015 at 10:34pm
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRUDbHfXP_A" rel="nofollow - Here's a link. Lots of inline flathead 6's looked pretty much alike but, I thought I recognized the T stat housing to be a Gray Marine. Next time down, see if you can detect a name cast into the top of the exhaust manifolds. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: August-20-2015 at 11:15pm
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Even without the step pad name plate it's obviously a CC,it still has the tube rope still on the lift ring! ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1711&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970" rel="nofollow - 69 Mustang HM SS 95 Nautique Super Sport |
Posted By: kenwolfb
Date Posted: August-23-2015 at 9:49pm
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Similar/identical boat is on Lake Cobbosseecontee in Maine. The boat and owner are well known in the wooden boater circles. Original power was twin 6 cylinder Grays, which are now in storage. Current power is twin big block V8s. Local legend is that CC made two. Boat on bottom is very similar, with twin 6 cylinder Grays, the remains of the aft cockpit and the vents on the transom. Although transom vents are located in slightly different locations, that would not be unusual for the hand crafted boats of that era. Hopefully the pics post ok.    
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Posted By: Diver1111
Date Posted: August-25-2015 at 4:23pm
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Wow fantastic pictures thank you. Really pulls it together for me given what I have to deal with underwater and the high degree of decay on the boat. I will likely have any numbers I can pull ready to post soon. |
Posted By: skutsch
Date Posted: August-25-2015 at 4:31pm
Wow what cool CC, is there anymore history on these (two) boats? I wonder if they were special orders, one-offs for boat shows, or some other special situation. SO COOL! ------------- Our http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4669" rel="nofollow - 98 Sport Nautique My Dad's 63 Ski N |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: August-25-2015 at 9:05pm
I'd say they were made for Cypress Gardens!! ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: August-25-2015 at 9:22pm
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Posted By: kenwolfb
Date Posted: August-25-2015 at 10:05pm
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I don't have much history. In fact, I just became aware of the boat on Lake Cobbosseecontee last month. Upon seeing it and learning that it was thought that CC made 2 put the pieces together with the one on the bottom of Winnipesaukee. For what it's worth, Lake Cobbo is the home of the Woolworth family summer estate. Yes, those Woolworth's. It could very well have been built for them?? |
Posted By: Diver1111
Date Posted: September-13-2015 at 6:03pm
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Hi folks-I made a 3rd dive on the Correct Craft and filmed it again this time trying to stay centered on the engines; Visibility was miserable but the link below is the best I could do; I looked hard for VINs/HINs on the manifold etc. but the engine is too badly corroded to get anything at all but I tried. https://youtu.be/VlbWoM9SctQ Thank you everyone for your help. HH |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: September-14-2015 at 9:26pm
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Yup, you are correct about the visibility. . https://youtu.be/VlbWoM9SctQ" rel="nofollow - here's a direct link ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: Riley
Date Posted: September-14-2015 at 10:10pm
| There's a story about that boat I read somewhere a few years ago and how the Woolworths had Correct Craft build it to beat another boat on the lake, maybe a Chris Craft? |