Turnbuckle for bow--strap failure!
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Topic: Turnbuckle for bow--strap failure!
Posted By: Daveinater
Subject: Turnbuckle for bow--strap failure!
Date Posted: October-10-2008 at 10:56pm
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Hey all,
Today I had an opportunity to try out the new 4-blade prop on our 92 Sport. (My wife took out our 3-blade driving the boat on the trailer. Secret tip: act very forgiving and then order the upgraded prop--how can she complain? She's the one who did the damage and besides...you were so sweeeet about it!) Anyway, being a little cautious putting the boat on the trailer, I gently drove it on and connected the ratcheting strap to the bow hook. When pulling the boat/trailer out of the water, the boat slid back slightly and the strap snapped. DOH! My heart about stopped. Every other Sport I've seen on a CC trailer has a turnbuckle arrangement which keeps the boat from moving forward or aft. A local shop is doing some small gelcoat repair on the hull and said they could fabricate a hinged flat "bar" which would mount under the bow and aft of the bow eye and hinge upward and have a slot the bow eye would poke through. A pin would lock it in place. It sure would be easier than the crummy setup I have now, but they want $200 to fabricate it. Any thoughts/advice would be appreciated and does anyone have a CC turnbuckle they want to get rid of? Thanks all, ------------- Dave B. %20http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=3734" rel="nofollow - Our 1992 Sport Nautique |
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Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: October-10-2008 at 11:08pm
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Dave, The local shop that is recommending the hinged flat bar is very dated. The idea has come and gone on the CC trailers because of the problems with it. Try to imagine lining up the boat at the proper spot to engage the slot in the flat bar with the bow eye. How about by yourself? I'm sure some of our members had one and am certain you'll get some other comments on the PITA!
Consider a winch. There are numerous threads on installing winches. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: Tim D
Date Posted: October-10-2008 at 11:47pm
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The late 70's and 80's trailers had turnbuckles which you can get at Lowe's. http://images.lowes.com/product/038613/038613124806.jpg - http://images.lowes.com/product/038613/038613124806.jpg Might have to look around at some hardware stores to find one big enough. When you drive on the trailer, are you backing it too deep? The reason I ask is if too much of the boat is floating above the trailer, that will cause it to drift, you're pulling the trailer out from under it. When I load my boat, I always have just the top of the fenders out of the water. ------------- Tim D |
Posted By: anthonylizardi
Date Posted: October-11-2008 at 12:03am
| I think that system is the same as the one my friend has on his 97 MC. What Pete says is correct. A couple of time he ran it to side and broke. Most of the time we end up driving it as close as he can and use the winch. IMO a good idea but impractical to get it right all the time. I think you have more risk to get it right all the time. |
Posted By: Daveinater
Date Posted: October-11-2008 at 12:32am
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Tim,
I'm putting the trailer in so I can "glide" it on after getting enough momentum. This means getting the tops of the fenders just under water. In years past, we had more of the trailer out of the water and "powered" it on. This worked ok til my sweetie got a little sideways and struck rthe prop on the side of the trailer structure that protects the prop/rudder assys. Thus, I'm being a little more conservative in getting more trailer in the water. In any event, I need a way to secure the boat on the trailer, especially pulling it out of the water. I've got a standard CC trailer with the upside-down U-shaped bar w/ two pads that catch the point of the bow. There's nothing to hold the bow eye except an eye bolt on the trailer to attach something to. I've been using a strap/winch setup there. By the way, th 4-blade OJ prop is amazing! Much smoother, no steering pull to the left and awesome hole shot, plus top speed almost 50 mph!! ------------- Dave B. %20http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=3734" rel="nofollow - Our 1992 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: Tim D
Date Posted: October-11-2008 at 12:45am
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Not long ago, I was at the ramp and these two older men and a teen were loading a 04 Air Nautique. They couldn't figure out why the tip of the bow was going under the rubber wheel at the front of the trailer. I explained to them that the trailer was too deep, they pulled the trailer up some so the hull could slide on the bunkers. Another thing to think about on loading with the trailer deep, is that the back of the hull is way above the trailer, when you pull it out, the back drops down to the trailer and the bow will pull very tight as it raises up. ------------- Tim D |
Posted By: Daveinater
Date Posted: October-11-2008 at 12:47am
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Good point Tim! ------------- Dave B. %20http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=3734" rel="nofollow - Our 1992 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: Daveinater
Date Posted: October-11-2008 at 2:40am
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Hey guys, in the thread on adding winches to trailers:
http://www.correctcraftfan.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7753&PN=1 - Winches "BehindPropeller" mentioned that he might make kits...anyone know if he got around to doing that? Dave ------------- Dave B. %20http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=3734" rel="nofollow - Our 1992 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: anthonylizardi
Date Posted: October-11-2008 at 4:12am
 I never thought about that Duh!! Tim how tight those turn buckle has to be. Usually I winch it and just attach it.
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Tim D wrote:Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: October-11-2008 at 6:17am
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Just get a turnbuckle and call it a day. Like TimD said, they should be available at at a local hardware store- or call your CC dealer directly if you cant find one. Winches are fine, but the bow stop and turnbuckle work great and are extremely simple.
Im a little confused as to how you dinged up the prop while loading- as long as the boat is kept between the guides, it should be nearly impossible to hit the trailer. Go back to putting the fenders *just* below the surface, and tell your wife to bring it in slowly. If it gets misaligned to the point where youre afraid of another strike, just dont put the boat in gear! ------------- |
Posted By: SNobsessed
Date Posted: October-11-2008 at 11:51am
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Dave - You must not have the trailer guide poles. They really come in handy when you are fighting wind / current / beer. ------------- “Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.” Ben Franklin |
Posted By: Daveinater
Date Posted: October-11-2008 at 12:58pm
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Hey guys,
Thanks for the all the good info. I do have guides on the trailer...it's a stock CC trailer w/ everything EXCEPT the doggone turnbuckle. My wife has driven/powered the boat on the trailer really well for years. The prop strike was a weird deal that took a combination of things to happen, but it did so I'm being a little more conservative than usual, but I'll probably get over it. As many of you know, we've been battling a drought lately in the Southeast. We have a house on Lake Wedowee in Alabama which is an Alabama Power lake. They try to hold the lake level up as long as possible but eventually, if the rain doesnt come, they have to start generating power to the sacrifice of the lake level. That was the case big time last year and also to a lesser extent this year. The level had dropped a fair bit and we had to pull the boat out so we went to our standard launch ramp but where I had to put the trailer in was a lot further down the ramp where the angle is much steeper. I put the trailer in but the fender tops were just above the water line (vs. below, but going further would have essentially made the whole trailer disappear). To add to this, my wife was battling a crosswind (and she had a pretty good "crab" going into it for you fellow pilots out there). She got it straightened out and her approach to the trailer looked good. The bow and mid-section glided right onto the trailer just fine, and it was straight---at first---but the tail end swung around a little bit and she put it in gear to straighten it out and, in fact, powered it on. The prop just contacted the structure that angles down from the right side of the trailer down to the horizontal bar that is underneath the prop/rudder. We heard BANG BANG BANG BANG and she cut the power immediately. I knew right away what it was. Here's what we found when we pulled the trailer out: 
Anyway, we normally power it on but this time the boat just didnt "LOOK" as sideways as it obviously was. The nibral props are pretty darn soft cuz the trailer didn't show any damage...just some scuffed paint. (And yes, I know the prop could have been repaired....but...well, I REALLY wanted a four blade and, well, my wife didn't protest. See? A win-win!  )
Anybody have a used turnbuckle out there? It would sure make me, er....my beautiful wife...feel better! hahah. (If nothing else, maybe some measurements of the stock turnbuckle) ------------- Dave B. %20http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=3734" rel="nofollow - Our 1992 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: phatsat67
Date Posted: October-11-2008 at 5:44pm
| That sucks you should get that prop fixed for an extra. My 86 has the factory turnbuckle. Takes a second longer to loosen and tighten it but its worth it for ease of operation and reliability. Im never on ramps that are steep enough to hook it up before I pull it out either. I load with the fenders just above the water. |
Posted By: SNobsessed
Date Posted: October-12-2008 at 1:05am
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Dave - I have the factory turnbuckle plus added a winch.
I am sure you can get a big turnbuckle at a farm supply store. Dimensions aren't critical as long as you can tighten it & loosen it enough to detach. Just add a snap hook to 1 end & you are good to go. Make sure & leave it a little loose when your boat & trailer are still in the water, otherwise you will have the bow way to tight on level ground. I like the winch because we just coast on & winch it up from there. Saves gas & supposedly the boat ramp from erosion. ------------- “Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.” Ben Franklin |
Posted By: Daveinater
Date Posted: October-12-2008 at 1:16am
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That sounds like a good setup....did you add the winch and any chance you have a photo of it?
If someone could give me a good measurement on a turnbuckle, that'd be a big help. The boat is 1.5 hours away and I'd like to find one locally if possible. (I didn't measure since I thought it would be easier to find a used one...) Thanks, Dave ------------- Dave B. %20http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=3734" rel="nofollow - Our 1992 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: k.o.
Date Posted: October-12-2008 at 4:00am
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turnbuckles aren't hard to find just go to a hardware store and you'l find them... even here in aruba i can find one easily so i doubt it will be hard to find there... ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=7587" rel="nofollow - 86 ski nautique |
Posted By: Daveinater
Date Posted: October-12-2008 at 10:07am
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I'm not to worried about finding one...I could just use a distance measurement from bow eye to the trailer ring....boat is not accessible.
Any fellow 89-92 Sport Nautique owners out there w/ a CC trailer?? Thanks all for your help! Dave ------------- Dave B. %20http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=3734" rel="nofollow - Our 1992 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: SNobsessed
Date Posted: October-12-2008 at 11:56am
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Dave - I would measure mine for you but it is now in storage 50 miles waway. i estimate the body was6 inches long, with 5/16-18 threads.
Here is a thread on my winch addition: http://www.correctcraftfan.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7753&KW=winch&TPN=2 - Winch ------------- “Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.” Ben Franklin |
Posted By: Daveinater
Date Posted: October-12-2008 at 12:14pm
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That's a great looking winch addition...looks factory! Thanks...that helps a lot.
Just to be clear, is the 6" guesstimate the "body" of the turnbuckle that you actually turn, w/ the threaded sections going into it from both sides? Thanks again, Dave ------------- Dave B. %20http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=3734" rel="nofollow - Our 1992 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: October-12-2008 at 2:06pm
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Dave,
On the turnbuckle, you may want to wait for some other measurements from other people. Chris (SNobsessed) may have 5/16" thread sizes but to me it seem to be on the light side. Turnbuckles are load rated (just like link chain) and come in many different types. My Tique trailer has 1/2" thread sizes but is a aluminum version. Chris's may be a forged type which may be the same load rating as the aluminum. Wait and see what others say. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: BuffaloBFN
Date Posted: October-12-2008 at 4:05pm
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I wasn't going to post on this topic because I have a slightly older boat of a different style, but he is a local guy.
The buckle on mine is 10.5" and the eye bolts are 8" with a 4.5" hook on each end. It also looks to be aluminum with 1/2" bolts. Dave, I would guess that my set-up is taller with the V-hull but don't really know. Hope this helps! ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2331&sort=&pagenum=12&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - 1988 BFN-sold "It's a Livin' Thing...What a Terrible Thing to Lose" ELO |
Posted By: bkhallpass
Date Posted: October-12-2008 at 5:02pm
Seems nothing is impossible Tim. My wife has done the same thing, and we're not exactly beginners at this  BKH------------- Livin' the Dream |
Posted By: Daveinater
Date Posted: October-12-2008 at 7:35pm
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Yeah, no kidding...my wife normally drives it right on no problem, and like I said, the tail end seemed only "slightly" off when the prop strike took place. Of course, having the trailer at the right depth is obviously key.
Greg, thanks for going the extra mile for a neighbor...especially one who slums it on a lake in Alabama versus the high-class lake you're on!
I stopped by Home Depot and Lowes thinking I might get lucky w/ a turnbuckle there but they sell real small ones and they're not forged so I'll keep looking. Hopefully someone w/ a Sport like mine will pipe in, and thanks to all of you for your help. Thanks all! Dave ------------- Dave B. %20http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=3734" rel="nofollow - Our 1992 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: BuffaloBFN
Date Posted: October-12-2008 at 7:59pm
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Cool, another oxymoron...high class mudpuddle?!!? LOL
I bet you'd find it at a farm supply or and 'old timey' hardware store. ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2331&sort=&pagenum=12&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - 1988 BFN-sold "It's a Livin' Thing...What a Terrible Thing to Lose" ELO |
Posted By: tnplicky
Date Posted: October-12-2008 at 8:41pm
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When I needed to replace my turnbuckle, I couldn't find one at any of the "big box hardware stores". I wouldn't trust the cheap aluminum variety they carried, nor could I find exactly what I needed at the local farm supply store as I needed the "open jaw" style. This is what I ended up ordering from McMaster-Carr
http://www.mcmaster.com/ Item # 3001T54 Forged Galvanized Steel Jaw & Jaw Turnbuckle 1/2"-13 Thrd, 6" Take-Up, 13-1/2"- 19-1/2" L, 2200#Wll |
Posted By: Daveinater
Date Posted: October-12-2008 at 9:53pm
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Your mud puddle is higher class than our mud puddle, that's for sure!
The guy that works on my boat only has 3 teeth left, and he takes his time getting the work done. You have to be reeeeeeal patient. I wonder why he takes so long? He says he stays real busy...  ------------- Dave B. %20http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=3734" rel="nofollow - Our 1992 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: SNobsessed
Date Posted: October-13-2008 at 12:04am
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Sorry, the 6 inch size was a SWAG.
So much for senior memory recall. ------------- “Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.” Ben Franklin |
Posted By: OverMyHead
Date Posted: October-13-2008 at 12:07am
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I never knew about the turnbuckle, Mine came with a 1" webbing strap tied to the front. I replaced it with a heavy 2" 1700lb ratchet strap cut way down in lenght. Got me through the summer but now I wonder if thats adequate. ------------- For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats. 1987 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: Daveinater
Date Posted: October-13-2008 at 12:18am
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My 2000 lb ratchet strap "seemed" to be fine. Based on my recent experience, I wouldn't trust it... ------------- Dave B. %20http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=3734" rel="nofollow - Our 1992 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: Chopper
Date Posted: October-13-2008 at 2:41am
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I would suggest a chain myself. Turn buckles could potentially rip the ubolt from your bow if too tight.
I have modified my trailer to get rid to the large rub rail destroying horse shoe arrangement that CC seem to love and replaced with a Vee arrangement. I also have tie downs on the rear too. My trailer had absolutely nothing on the trailer to stop the boat falling off should the winch strap snap - which it did shortly after I got the boat.!!!!  ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1540&sort=&pagenum=2&yrstart=1996&yrend=2000 - 98 Ski |
Posted By: 81nautique
Date Posted: October-13-2008 at 10:06am
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Champion trailer, This is the piece I use with a little customizing. http://www.championtrailers.com/catalog%20pdf/PAGE%2021%20TIEDOWNS.pdf - tie down
------------- You can’t change the wind but you can adjust your sails |
Posted By: Daveinater
Date Posted: October-13-2008 at 11:22am
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Alan,
On the page you linked to, are you referring to the "Bow Eye Tie Down Turnbuckle Kit"? Looks like they suggest that system over a chain or something else. Some of you have cautioned against using a turnbuckle, saying it could rip the bow eye out. I can see that happening if you cinch it down just after putting the boat on the trailer and then pulling the trailer out where the entire weight of the boat literally yanks on the bow eye/turnbuckle (I've seen my ratcheting strap get tight after pulling the boat out even tho I kept it real loose when putting the boat on the trailer on the ramp). BUT I don't see how using a chain or other means would be any less harsh in the same circumstance. My intention would be to use the turnbuckle as a "safety" where it's not cinched up real tight but is "there" should the boat want to slide back very much. Is that how you guys rig yours up? I'm going to call Jethro at the marina and, if he's not too "busy", have him measure the distance from the bow eye to the trailer eye bolt so I can get a turnbuckle ordered. I like the idea of adding a winch but I don't even know what a welder LOOKS like, yet alone know how to weld a bunch of metal on the trailer for mounting a winch. Looks like a turnbuckle will be my solution, for now. ------------- Dave B. %20http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=3734" rel="nofollow - Our 1992 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: BuffaloBFN
Date Posted: October-13-2008 at 11:40am
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I think if someone pulls the bow eye out it'll be among their smaller problems. It's pretty stout...bolted through a strap of heavy gauge steel that's bolted to the lifting eye. ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2331&sort=&pagenum=12&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - 1988 BFN-sold "It's a Livin' Thing...What a Terrible Thing to Lose" ELO |
Posted By: 81nautique
Date Posted: October-13-2008 at 11:40am
Yup, That's pretty much what the turnbuckle set up looks like on most of the old CC trailers although they used several different methods of attaching it to the trailer frame. Also, the only problem you will have with a turnbuckle possibly damaging the bow eye is when you attach it while loading the boat. You must leave slack in the chain as the stern of the boat is still not fully resting on the bunks. When you pull the trailer out the stern settles, the bow rises, and if the turnbuckle is too tight you will have a problem. Most of the time I don't hook mine until I'm out of the water unless I'm on a steep ramp, then I just clip it on for safety and tighten it once we're out of the water. I have yet to see a boweye on a Correctcraft fail. ------------- You can’t change the wind but you can adjust your sails |
Posted By: Daveinater
Date Posted: October-13-2008 at 11:56am
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Yeah, that all makes perfect sense. On other CC trailers I've seen like mine, I've seen the turnbuckle, and it appears my trailer had one at one point as well. I have an eye bolt down on the trailer, forward of the bow stop bunks and on the trailer frame just aft of the coupler. I've not seen any chain but rather a turnbuckle that attaches at the eye bolt and has a hefty clipping hook attached to the other end for attaching to the bow eye. I think that's the route I'll go.
I'm glad you guys stopped me from pursuing any further the addition of a slotted bar which hinges up to the bow eye...I can see where that'd be a pain in the neck. Thanks all. Hopefully I can "pay back" with some good info down the road. (now you know not to ask me anything about welding. But if it FLIES, ask away!) 
This is a great site! ------------- Dave B. %20http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=3734" rel="nofollow - Our 1992 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: October-13-2008 at 12:42pm
Dave, This is one of the reasons a winch mounted higher than the bow eye works out so well. I'd also like to add incase you missed it in the "winch" thread that I added a keel roller. It lifts the bow of the boat higher so the boats angle is closer to the angle of the trailer when it's in/on the ramp. The keel roller also eliminates the boats bow bounce when running down the road. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: 81nautique
Date Posted: October-13-2008 at 1:09pm
Pete, Do you still use a turnbuckle or just the winch strap to tie down with? I have never trusted a winch lock mechanism or the strap by itself. We hit a dip in the road at an intersection coming home from Clinton last night and I'm glad I had the chain up front. ------------- You can’t change the wind but you can adjust your sails |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: October-13-2008 at 1:10pm
I asked a friend of mine to clip the turnbuckle down on Feelgood's BFN when we were loading it no a steep ramp. Little did I know he tightened it as much as possible before we pulled it out. After we got up and out of the way to organize the boat I noticed the back end of the boat was 1" off the bunks! It toock some muscle just to loosen the buckle but the boat sat back down w/o any damage at all to the bow eye area. My brother overtightened the turnbuckle on Jonny's BFN and it deformed the safety clip he had on the end of it. Seems like the angle on that hull really changes coming out of the water on the factory CC trailer. Make sure you get a quality turnbuckle with strong hooks and eyes and don't overtighten it! ------------- |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: October-13-2008 at 1:26pm
Alan, There is many a boat/trailer going down the road with the bow only held on with the winch but, I really have never trusted them ether! I will hook up the bow eye to the trailer eye as well. It also pulls the boat down onto the trailer. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: BuffaloBFN
Date Posted: October-13-2008 at 1:32pm
This was the case with my bfn when I learned to leave it loose coming up the ramp. Since the stringer job it will rock gently on level ground with very little effort on the turnbuckle. ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2331&sort=&pagenum=12&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - 1988 BFN-sold "It's a Livin' Thing...What a Terrible Thing to Lose" ELO |
Posted By: Daveinater
Date Posted: October-13-2008 at 2:04pm
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Pete/Alan,
I really like the idea of a keel roller and winch. At some point I'll work to have my trailer modified. I have a buddy from the airshow team days who is a master fabricator who I know would do a great job on modifying the trailer...the problem is he's always traveling w/ the team and slammed when he's at home. I'll print out some pictures from the trailers you guys have and see about getting some trailer mods done. In the meantime, FYI I had the distance from the trailer eye bolt to the bow eye measured. It's 26" between them. The McMaster-Carr http://www.mcmaster.com/ - website that someone provided (sorry, I've lost track who that was but you know who you are---thanks!) is great. You can essentially "build" the right turnbuckle from it. Below is a picture of what I ordered. Keep in mind that my aim was to maintain structural strength by minimizing the additional pieces that would be required to connect the turnbuckle to the trailer and boat. My boat weight is approximately 2700 lbs. The Jaw end will attach directly to the eye bolt on the trailer. The other end will need a shackle and hook attached to it (which totals 4.5 inches in length, thus leaving 21.5 inches of space for the turnbuckle itself.) 
Here's the specs: Turnbuckles This product matches all of your selections. Part Number: 3000T58 1-5 Each $42.43 Each 6 or more $38.90 Each Type Jaw and Eye Turnbuckles Body Style Open Body Round Eye Style Round Eye Material Forged Galvanized Steel Thread Size 5/8"-11 Take-Up 9" Approximate Closed Length 17-7/8" Approximate Open Length 26-7/8" Work Load Limit 3,500 lbs. Eye Outside Diameter 2-15/16" Eye Inside Diameter 1-1/4" Jaw Outside Width 1-5/8" Jaw Opening 7/8" Jaw Pin Diameter 1/2" Jaw Length 2-5/16" Specifications Met American Society for Testing and Materials (ASTM) ASTM Specifications ASTM F1145-92 Type 1, Grade 1 WARNING Never exceed work load limits for this item. The stainless steel version was very cost prohibitive---about $150.00--but the forged galvanized version was only $42.43 each...not too bad, especially considering the peace of mind that comes from having something attached to the boat that can withstand the possible loads placed upon it. And, thanks to your stories, I'm make sure to NOT tighten it down after loading the boat on the trailer while on the ramp---but that story is a great testament to the superior strength and craftsmanship that goes into Correct Craft boats. ------------- Dave B. %20http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=3734" rel="nofollow - Our 1992 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: Dave D.
Date Posted: October-13-2008 at 3:24pm
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Daveinator, I got the email you sent to me regarding the turnbuckle... I replied to you several times but they keep coming back as undeliverable, fyi.
Glad to see you got the dimensions and info on where to get a turnbuckle. I still need to pick one up for my Sport and have found them locally at Fastenal. I originally checked with Ram-Lin Trailers but they refered me to my CC dealer. I then called my local CC dealer and the young guy in the parts dept said he did not even know that CC used to make their own trailers! He said he would do some research and call me back...he did not. No big surprise there as my Sport is probably older that he is. I bet it works better though, lol!! Anyway, I hope to run by Fastenal this week to pick one up. The diagram and dimensions really help, thanks!! ------------- Dave D. http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5525&sort=&pagenum=4 - '89 Sport Nautique http://www.golaketravis.com/webcam/ - Lake Travis, Texas! |
Posted By: Daveinater
Date Posted: October-13-2008 at 3:55pm
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Hey Dave!
Sorry about that! Your e-mailing me back would actually require that I keep my e-mail address up-to-date... 
Besides the turnbuckle, I also ordered a new shackle to attach the turnbuckle to the hook that goes on the bow eye. The one I had was stainless but based on what I see on the net, the load ratings for the stainless shackles are much much less than the forged steel ones. Since I've provided the turnbuckle info, here's the info for the shackle (what the heck--this might help someone): 3556T14 Hot-Dipped Galvanized Steel Forged D-Shackle with Safety Pin, 1/2" Diameter, 4409# Work Load Limit In stock Quantity Each 1-24 Each $16.05 25 or more 13.24 The grand total for everything was just over $62, and McMaster-Carr is located nearby in South Atlanta so no shipping! Thanks for the attempts at getting back to me Dave...glad the info helped. ------------- Dave B. %20http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=3734" rel="nofollow - Our 1992 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: 81nautique
Date Posted: October-13-2008 at 5:04pm
I don't believe there's a need for a keel roller if you're powerloading in fact it will probably get you in trouble more than help. The difference between Pete and I is he does not powerload and I believe the keel roller probably helps with winching the boat up in his situation. I do power load, these trailers were designed for powerloading and it works fine if you sink the trailer properly. With due respect to Pete's point of view I am on concrete ramps 99% of the time and I don't believe he is. The pieces you bought will work but the one from Champion had everything you needed for $35. ??? ------------- You can’t change the wind but you can adjust your sails |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: October-13-2008 at 7:29pm
Dave, Alan is correct that I don't like power loading. 2 of my boats are wood and I've never felt comfortable with the power loading. My 77 Tique I will power load but it's getting a winch as soon as I finish the other 137 projects I have going!!! In the nortwoods of Wisconsin, I'm lucky to see a ramp that the DNR has dumped some gravel in! Alan gets around to more ramps than I do and like he mentioned most are concrete. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: Daveinater
Date Posted: October-13-2008 at 7:37pm
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Alan,
Yes, I could have ordered the setup from Champion but...but....
I'm an IDIOT!! I don't know why that didnt register with me. I think perhaps because it didnt give a load rating (which is probably not a big deal anyway) and I wasn't thinking "chain". I picked up the setup this afternoon on the way to work and it's pretty beefy. The load rating on the shackle is 4400# and the turnbuckle is huge, so I wont worry about them not being able to handle the load. Granted, I dont plan on cinching up the turnbuckle anyway.... *sigh* Oh well... I guess I should have re-read this thread before ordering... As for power loading, that has always worked best for us, but again now I'm a bit gun shy. I know my wife is REAL gun shy and having a winch w/ a strap would be nice. Normally my wife applies a bit of forward thrust just as I pull the boat out and cuts it right away but we'll see if I can get her to do that now. She grew up on a farm in Canada so I think she'll get back in the saddle, so to speak. ------------- Dave B. %20http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=3734" rel="nofollow - Our 1992 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: 81nautique
Date Posted: October-13-2008 at 9:04pm
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Dave, After you get the tie down set up I would take a serious look at the guide poles. You're not the first guy to bang a prop while loading. I didn't go back to the beginning of this thread to check but I believe you said you had a CC trailer. It's possible you could shorten the throw of the posts and make the distance between them narrower. That would require cutting and rewelding but a local shop could handle that for you.
So I'd adjust the guides or rework the prop guard framing but in my eyes there's no way a factory trailer should allow you to get into that kind of trouble in the first place. My last factory trailer had 1/4" of clearance between the prop and guard, had to shim the guard down to get it to be safe. A bit of a pain but atleast you would have peace of mind and the wife won't be afraid to help you load. ------------- You can’t change the wind but you can adjust your sails |
Posted By: Daveinater
Date Posted: October-13-2008 at 9:09pm
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Alan,
I'll check it out. I do have a CC trailer and the guide posts are pretty flexible (due to the trailer frame torquing). One plus is that I have a 13" 4-blade now vs. the 14" std. 3-blade, so that gives us more clearance. Thanks for the suggestion. ------------- Dave B. %20http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=3734" rel="nofollow - Our 1992 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: phatsat67
Date Posted: October-13-2008 at 10:39pm
| Hollywood. My uncle did that to my boat the first summer I had it. I was like why the hell is the boat sitting an inch off the bunks haha. |
Posted By: skinaut
Date Posted: October-14-2008 at 1:48pm
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I agree the way to go for a woody is a winch but for a glass SN on the CC trailer there is no need for a winch. If you had a prop strike on the trailer then the trailer was in to deep. With the tops of the fenders out of the water the hull will contact the bunks and if not way out of shape coming in usually align itself. The purpose of powering it on is to keep the hull in contact with the bunks from front to back with no possibility of traveling over to the side of them. This will also eliminate any chance of the bow eye turnbuckle from being too tight because the boat is on the bunks, not floating at the back. I think the bow stops on the CC trailer are great because it would be very hard to damage your boat with it. The bow stop that is just a single piece of square pipe with a piece of angle on it for the bow to rest on is a disaster waiting to happen if you drive on. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/images/3984/photo1.jpg" rel="nofollow - 86 Ski http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h183/chinewalker/boats/May820015.jpg" rel="nofollow - 70 Centurion |
Posted By: Daveinater
Date Posted: October-14-2008 at 2:09pm
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Lee, good thoughts. Next time I'll keep the trailer a bit further up the ramp so the boat contacts the bunks forward to aft and see how that goes...assuming my wife is willing!
On another note, I had a 1976 Mustang that someone had restored beautifully EXCEPT they put it in 2001 colors. It was a "baby brother" to your boat Lee (see below). She was a beautifully running boat and we really enjoyed it. We just needed more room as our kids grew and moved on to a Sport Nautique. I sold the boat to a younger guy on Lake Wedowee in Alabama where we have a house and I've never seen it since. I wonder what happened to it.  ------------- Dave B. %20http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=3734" rel="nofollow - Our 1992 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: phatsat67
Date Posted: October-14-2008 at 4:55pm
| Kinda looked cool as a 2001 haha. |
Posted By: Tim D
Date Posted: October-14-2008 at 7:44pm
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That looks like a master crap trailer. ------------- Tim D |
Posted By: Daveinater
Date Posted: October-14-2008 at 8:12pm
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Yep, it was a MC trailer. Actually, I really liked it and never did strike the prop on it either!
Notice how the standard 2001 decals were too long for the Mustang hull, so they had to cut them off at the front, vs. them coming to a point. Still looked pretty good though, unless you're a purist (I know you guys are out there!) ------------- Dave B. %20http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=3734" rel="nofollow - Our 1992 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: October-14-2008 at 8:15pm
Dave, When you got the 76 Mustang, did you know that the graphics were wrong? It does look weird. It would be like flying a 707 with 757 graphics!! ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: Daveinater
Date Posted: October-14-2008 at 9:49pm
Yes, it is a bit of an interesting boat. To continue your airplane analogy, I guess this boat, if a plane, would be like this:
Well, I'll be honest...when I found the boat here in Atlanta, the price was actually in our (new hire airline employee) budget. I assumed it was an older model Ski Nautique. When I took it out for a test drive, I was smart enough to call my buddy Vince at Discount Inboard Marine who, after I described the boat, suggested I call Jeff down at Correct Craft. When I described the boat, he said something didnt sound quite right so I gave him the hull number and he told me it was actually a Mustang w/ a Ford 302. He was actually really excited about the fact that it was a Mustang and told me all about those boats. Does anyone know whether Jeff is still at CC? He told me about growing up and spending lots of time in the factory as a kid and really knew his stuff about CC, it's history and boats. He was a great guy and very willing to spend time w/ me on the phone before this purchase. We really liked the boat and, seeing as how we had moved from California (and away from my parents' lake house and boat) to Georgia, it was the perfect boat for us. I actually sold the boat for more $$ than I paid for it, so I felt pretty good about that. I put a quick drain kit on the engine, added a FlushPro, electronic ignition and gas in the tank. That's all the $$ we ever put into it. The interior was beautiful and the boat looked like new, considering its age. It ran like a top and gave us several years worth of family fun. ------------- Dave B. %20http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=3734" rel="nofollow - Our 1992 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: skinaut
Date Posted: October-15-2008 at 11:57am
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I had a 1976 Mustang that someone had restored beautifully EXCEPT they put it in 2001 colors. It was a "baby brother" to your boat Lee (see below).
wow someone went to a lot of trouble to make a 2001! it looks good but knowing something aint right kinda odd. Dave still with the airline? ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/images/3984/photo1.jpg" rel="nofollow - 86 Ski http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h183/chinewalker/boats/May820015.jpg" rel="nofollow - 70 Centurion |
Posted By: Daveinater
Date Posted: October-15-2008 at 12:14pm
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Yep, but not USAir....Delta. ------------- Dave B. %20http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=3734" rel="nofollow - Our 1992 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: skinaut
Date Posted: October-15-2008 at 1:27pm
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I'm sorry, hope things are better at Delta than Usair ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/images/3984/photo1.jpg" rel="nofollow - 86 Ski http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h183/chinewalker/boats/May820015.jpg" rel="nofollow - 70 Centurion |
Posted By: Daveinater
Date Posted: October-15-2008 at 1:39pm
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No apology needed...I had used the USAir photo so pointed out I wasn't with them. Yes, thank goodness I'm not with them, as they're two plus years past the "merger" but still operating two separate airlines, with two separate pilot groups, two separate schedules, etc. and LOTS of labor strife. Employee groups aren't talking to each other, etc. It's really really bad.
Meanwhile we're marching on towards our merger w/ Northwest and, knock on wood, things are going pretty smoothly. It's a tough industry, that's for sure... ------------- Dave B. %20http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=3734" rel="nofollow - Our 1992 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: skinaut
Date Posted: October-15-2008 at 1:49pm
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Tough to say the least.
24 years in the industry, 5 city's, 3 mergers, 2 bankruptcies, and loss of just about everything we had going for us......I have had it! ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/images/3984/photo1.jpg" rel="nofollow - 86 Ski http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h183/chinewalker/boats/May820015.jpg" rel="nofollow - 70 Centurion |
Posted By: Daveinater
Date Posted: October-15-2008 at 1:54pm
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Are you w/ USAir? If so, my condolences...I know it's been tough. I was with AWA (now USAir) and have lots of friends there...not pretty. ------------- Dave B. %20http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=3734" rel="nofollow - Our 1992 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: skinaut
Date Posted: October-15-2008 at 3:52pm
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Yes, it's bad. Kind of like our government, an endless string of robber baron management groups lining their pockets and bailing with sweetheart retirement packages leaving everyone else to pay.
kind of hijacking this thread so I should stop now.......good luck to you and your merger. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/images/3984/photo1.jpg" rel="nofollow - 86 Ski http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h183/chinewalker/boats/May820015.jpg" rel="nofollow - 70 Centurion |
Posted By: lewy2001
Date Posted: October-16-2008 at 9:52am
This is how we do it down under. If you look closely behind the winch you will see a small length of chain that is welded to the bow stop that then hooks up to bow eye. I am in the process of making one up for a Type 3 CC trailer for 2001. Nice and clean gives a winch mount plus bow stop with safety chain.
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Posted By: skinaut
Date Posted: November-13-2008 at 11:41pm
Welcome to the wonderful world of mergers Dave, I hope your leaders are better at it than ours are. Yes I am still a little bitter over it........... ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/images/3984/photo1.jpg" rel="nofollow - 86 Ski http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h183/chinewalker/boats/May820015.jpg" rel="nofollow - 70 Centurion |
Posted By: Daveinater
Date Posted: November-14-2008 at 12:35am
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Can't blame you. As for ours? Time will tell. The Seniority list thing is what could really make things difficult, as you can well attest. Hang in there. ------------- Dave B. %20http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=3734" rel="nofollow - Our 1992 Sport Nautique |