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john b
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Posted: November-10-2014 at 6:12pm |
I haven't had a wood boat since a 68? Thompson lapstrake I/O my family had when I was young. I am not ready to buy one with no space to store it and a Mustang iron in the fire, but I have been taken by one in the "for sale" section located near me in Morris IL. It has a 312. I am curious if this is representative of what a really nice one brings. The Mustang is the last project boat I will ever undertake (probably car too after the epic restoration project this summer) but it seems possible to buy a complete and properly restored /maintained Atom judging by what I see. Is this truly the case? I know there are many businesses that will maintain them. I saw an atom at the ACBS booth I worked at McCormick Place last year. It was restored and maintained by a place in the Fox River Valley in Illinois. It was really beautiful. Is the Atom a good choice for classic wood? Any problems or handling issues with the model? I have been thinking I would enjoy one more than an old car I have. The size and beauty of an Atom makes it desirable to me. I loved the "Fin Boat" thread.
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8122pbrainard
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John,
Since the Atom you are looking at has the 312 in it, it's a later one after CC lengthened the hull. How about a link so I can take a look or PM me the link. Like any wood boat, the choice is up to the buyer and how he intends on using it. Yes, there are more desirable boats but now we are talking big $$$. |
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81nautique
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That is Bigwavedave's boat and it sold last week.
The one at MCCormick place last year was an Aqua Skier that belongs to Todd Starr. Fox River Valley Boat Co did the work on it. |
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8122pbrainard
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Alan,
Thanks for the info. I PM'd John and filled him in on Dave's boat. |
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juniorwoody
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The Fin Boat is on the mend John and will return to the water very soon we hope. Stay away from 327 AMC's, but the fins are a real eye grabber for some.
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8122pbrainard
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Jack, What do you have against the Gray 327's? The only defect I know of is the thin spot in the exhaust manifolds otherwise they are fantastic runners. BTW, Crow Custom Cast Welding has the solution for the manifolds. |
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john b
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My H/M manifolds should be ready at Crow Custom Cast Welding when I get back from Seattle on Friday. I took a chance and had them internally coated with a thermoplastic both in the water jacket and the exhaust passages. It was recommended and reportedly provides a degree of protection in addition to the welding and machining they did. Fingers crossed.
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juniorwoody
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I been throwing money at the manifold problem for about a year now Pete. I have one manifold that has some internal damage, Not real bad. It was that way when I removed it. Thinking about reinstalling it and running it. It was performing well before and I i question whether a little water leaking internally into the exhaust may not be a deal breaker. Does Crow make maniofolds?
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8122pbrainard
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No, they repair them. They do have a web site. Repair is certainly cheaper that having to go through the process of having them cast from scratch. I've seen a couple of their repairs where the antique manifolds were made from unobtainium! |
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juniorwoody
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What possible problems could occure if run with leakage? Any idea? I did check thier site Pete and may give them a call today thanks.
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8122pbrainard
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Jack,
With water leaking into the exhaust side, there's always a chance that it will find it's way into a cylinder. |
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juniorwoody
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Is there a large chance or a small chance?
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SWANY
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[QUOTE=john b] I haven't had a wood boat since a 68? Thompson lapstrake I/O my family had when I was young.
John, any pictures of the Thompson? My first boat I had for 11 years was a 65' sea mate. Good looking boats and the company had a lot of interesting history. |
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8122pbrainard
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Jack, Large or small, it's not a chance I would take. |
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Riley
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Big Wave Dave's boat is one of the nicer wood Correct Crafts I've seen. Someone got a great boat.
Jack, did you pick up the Gray engine at Tim's? |
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juniorwoody
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I did pick up the engine Bruce. I left it home with the hopes of resolving the manifold problem here in fl. I havd the heads reworked and they are with me. I may just swap engines if I need to throw more money into a major repair of a manifold. Taking the other ones off may well expose the same problems with them. It seems the exhaust valves are closed and unlikely to allow water in the ports. When they open it is to let exhaust pressure and gasses out. Might be a way to get the boat back inthe water and give me time to save a little more BS money before the next step.
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8122pbrainard
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Jack, They aren't all closed at the same time! |
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juniorwoody
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Pete, this is what I wrote. Did you speed read it?
It seems the exhaust valves are closed and unlikely to allow water in the ports. When they open it is to let exhaust pressure and gasses out. Thinking this outward exhaust pressure wouldn't allow water entry. It all happens very quickly and there is gravity taking the water out as well. |
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TRBenj
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Jack, if the manifolds are cracked between the runners and water jackets, you'll end up with water in the cylinder (and then the oil). Even if it didn't enter while running (which it almost always does in my experience), it'll definitely leak in while shut down. There's bound to be a few exhaust valves open on various cylinders for any given engine position... And then you're hydrolocked.
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juniorwoody
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Thanks Tim, I understand that. May be time to give Crow a call.
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juniorwoody
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John, The newer Atoms made from plywood have very little structure and few bulkheads. Replacing plywood on these I feel would be more problematic in that you could easily lose the shape of the hull. Sometime in the late 50's they changed their construction techniques.
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8122pbrainard
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Cross bracing frame members is important with any wood hull no matter what the construction is. I did it when I did my Atom until it was upside down on level horses. Constant measuring was important when I replaced all the knee braces even though I only did one side of the frames at one time. I even braced my X55 when I put the new bottom on it. |
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8122pbrainard
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Jack, This is the point I was trying to make. Yes, I did read your explanation but your logic is off. There are several threads about the issue and most found the problem worse during shut down hence me saying all the valves aren't closed at one time. Fill us in with Crow's response. Tim, thanks for your backing up my same thoughts. If you aren't familiar with the process, they will remove the outer wall of the water jacket where needed. This give them access to the inner wall for the crack repair welding. Then they weld the outer jacket back up. |
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john b
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Jack, I just got a call from Buck at Crow Custom Cast Welding this morning. My manifolds are done. It was a 3 week turn around. I dropped them off in person because I had 2 sets thanks to Alan and I wanted to have him examine them and discuss the repair with me. Buck advised against repairing one pair due to the condition and cost, but the cost on the pair he did is what he quoted.
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