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    Posted: February-26-2019 at 12:10pm
Any suggestions on how to fix the dipstick rubber on the transmission? After seeing the price of $50-$125 for a replacement, thought I would try and fix.

Will post a pic later when I go back to barn.
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Go to your local hardware store and get an expanding plug for a couple bucks, then keep your dipstick for when you need to check the level.
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Could also probably just swap the rubber from the new expandable plug onto the existing dipstick.

The title of this thread sounds very inappropriate.
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Originally posted by phatsat67 phatsat67 wrote:

Could also probably just swap the rubber from the new expandable plug onto the existing dipstick.

The title of this thread sounds very inappropriate.


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Thanks all easy fix.

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Originally posted by phatsat67 phatsat67 wrote:

Could also probably just swap the rubber from the new expandable plug onto the existing dipstick.



This tells me that Zach has never tried to get the rubber off his dipstick and put a new one on. Sounds kinda kinky

On a B/W like Jterr's picture you'll be cutting it apart and having to make new pieces.

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Didn't look at the photo. Figured the stick was welded onto the bottom.
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Wasn’t velvet dipstick Quinners college nickname ?
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One on eBay right now 36.50 + 2.00 shipping
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Originally posted by illiniball2000 illiniball2000 wrote:

Go to your local hardware store and get an expanding plug for a couple bucks, then keep your dipstick for when you need to check the level.

Good idea and then just use the old worn out plug when you what to check the fluid level.


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jterr's post reminded me that I had a dipstick that looked just like his that I'd been meaning to fix so that turned into a small project yesterday.

I used stuff that was in the garage, but if I went to the store, it might add up to 5 dollars or so.

I had to cut the shaft on the old one, then tossed everything but the cover that the shaft ran through.

I used a 5/16-18 stainless bolt 6 inches long and cut the head off and extended the threads so the threaded area was 1 5/8 inches. Then after a little guesswork and measuring I cut the shaft to 5 1/4 inches in length.

Also had a stainless wing nut and a stainless t nut that i had to grind down a little to be about the same OD as the hunk of rubber hose that would be the "new" seal.

Speaking of the new seal, it was a piece of 1/2 inch oil cooler hose with an OD of about 3/4 of an inch. I cut it about 7/8 inch long.

A nut and a couple of washers pretty much rounded out the parts used.

Slapped it all together and it works as good as an original B/W dipstick.

The wing nut and the hex nut are just double nutted and provided for a little adjustment of how much you have to turn the wing nut to get a tight seal.

I do have to go to the hardware store and get a stainless nut though 'cause the regular steel one under the wingnut will just drive me crazy if I don't replace it.

Then I'll either tack weld the wing nut to the shaft or use some red loctite to keep it from coming apart accidentally.

No fancy tools needed, the 5/16-18 die being the fanciest. Otherwise something to cut the bolt and trim the T nut.

I used my favorite "precision machining tool.".........a 4 1/2 inch angle grinder   

I'm sure there are variations on how this could be done but this worked for me.

If somebody else is thinking of doing this, measure yours first in case you have a different length dipstick and adjust your dimensions as necessary.

The pictures will give an idea how it all went together and a comparison to an original dipstick.











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Nice work Ken. Side business charging half what PCM charges? ha

The new sticks are a round aluminum notched piece so yours looks closer besides the wing nut.
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Nice. Any way you could have kept the old handle so that it looked the same from the outside?
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Did you check the compatibility of the different stainless steel parts??   Neoprene vs. rubber hose??   Assuming you used stainless steel welding rod also. Oh yes, what grade rod. Was it American Welding Society approved material. Do you have the MSDS sheets on file?? Hope it all went thru quality control and that you performed the necessary stress testing.
The grinding wheel could have contaminated the stainless steel if you had previously used it on mild steel or another material. These are all things that should be considered since you are a non degree'd hack.

BTW, Nice job and thoughtful engineering.


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The original style handle looks like a stamped piece that is welded to the end of the threaded rod for the stick.

Even a round T would look pretty good tack welded to the rod end. Or drill a hole/thread and counter sink a retainer screw to hold it to the rod.

Below is what the new style looks like.

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I have one of those new ones Zack , real easy to read and kinda what gave me the idea for the homegrown one.

As for you Duane..............you should know I took absolutely none of that into account and just whipped this thing together

Call this the prototype that you could use to make a good looking dipstick and sell them to people.

Kinda like Mike with all the numbers after his name at GT40 ECM .com you could start your own outfit and call it B/W Dipstick.com or something like that. You better hurry though, Mikey may jump all over this idea.

By the way, I got my stainless steel nuts this morning

I still have all the old parts so maybe there will be another version coming along
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As for you Duane..............you should know I took absolutely none of that into account and just whipped this thing together


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Nice work Ken. Great on the engineering skills.


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Nice work Ken. Great on the engineering skills.


Aw shucks Pete, just some of that backyard engineering that can come in handy at times.

If I can find the right size freeze, core,casting, expansion plug (or something along those lines) then the whole thing could be built without needing any parts from an old one.

I'll have to do some measuring in the morning

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If I can find the right size freeze, core,casting, expansion plug (or something along those lines) then the whole thing could be built without needing any parts from an old one.

I'll have to do some measuring in the morning


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I think Brian's idea (in his post above and I quoted) of starting with on off the shelf expansion plug could be used. McMaster lists T handled plugs in 1/2" all the way to 4". The center "draw" bolt could be changed out like you did with the one you built.


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I think that would work too or also instead of the cup shaped top a fender washer could be substituted and would work but look a little funnier.

I'm gonna weld the original handle to a nut to take the place of the wingnut and see how that looks.

It would still be able to be disassembled to replace the rubber if necessary.
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Nice. Any way you could have kept the old handle so that it looked the same from the outside?


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Ignoring the peanut gallery and their "amusing" comments I figured I'd see what I could do to make it look reasonably normal and still be able to be taken apart   

It's a little taller than the original (about 1/2 inch) but looks pretty good and it's a little easier to use.

The handle was welded to a nut, put on the shaft and double nutted along with some red loctite, then a little crude machine work was done to make the hex nuts round

A little silver paint and it's done Probably about 3 dollars in parts

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A little silver paint and it's done Probably about 3 dollars in parts

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Ken, You could work for me any day. Nice job
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