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    Posted: January-10-2016 at 9:52pm
I’m looking for a “reverse rotation” drive gear for a new Pertronix distributer for my
(now) 1974 Ford 302 V-8.
Engine is not original to the boat.
It is a Ford "302" producing 220 hp. or more (“351” heads.)
It is a "Right Hand" (reverse) turning engine (viewed from rear.)
It is a Ford "small block" marinized with components from an engine originally built by Crusader (Parent company was Thermo Electron Marine Engines -- Thermo Electron sold its Crusader line to Pleasurecraft.)
The cam is new, right-hand rotation.
We really don't know who built the “original” engine -- possibly someone other than Crusader (now Pleasurecraft Marine or "PCM”.)

I’ve lost the paperwork on my purchase of the distributor. :-)
I’ve disposed of the “original” distributor. : -(
I bought this one from someone other than Pertronix and was told it was for a “reverse” engine. It is not.
Pertronix does not make the gear I need. The fellow on their “tech line” could not give me a source for the gear.

Any ideas as to where I can find one?
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e-bay 2 months ago.make a .500 bore and a .464 bore.
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I don't see one on ebay currently.
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There are a few listings on summit that might work........ But as you know the fords are hard to find reverse parts for.
You might end up buying a RR dizzy just for the gear
Probably regretting getting rid of that old dizzy now...
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I've talked to Summit. Nothing there. Yes, I regret dumping the old one. Local "old-timer" thinks there may be a local source. Should know soon.
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Good! I hope it works out for you!
My first CC was a 1970 Mustang with a HM. The previous owner threw a lot of automotive parts at it including the distributor. I replaced it with a nice used mallory unit but the gear was wrong and of course didn't slide right into place! After a whole lot of panic, research and phone calls I was able to replace the gear with the one from my old dizzy! So needless to say I know EXACTLY where your at right now! It'll work out, nice engine and boat by the way!
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Originally posted by JDD33 JDD33 wrote:

I know EXACTLY where your at right now! It'll work out, nice engine and boat by the way!

Thanks, we'll solve it. Have oil in it and all the wires in harness, except for dizzy. Zero here this A.M., so waiting for a break to launch & test run anyway. We've run the oil pump, as you can see . . .
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Is that Ralph Meloon?
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No, Bud Eiler.
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ebasic shows 2 gears,   e-bay has 3,   Summit pt #MAA-28714A
just need to check their diameter
Worst case scenario if they are .500 is to either turn the shaft down or bush the gear. Neither is a tough lathe job
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Originally posted by Duane in Indy Duane in Indy wrote:

either turn the shaft down or bush the gear. Neither is a tough lathe job
Good luck

Great option and I agree very basic on the lathe. The only challenge may be positioning the new gear vertically on the shaft. Measure the original but, even if off slightly it won't matter with straight cut gears.


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If new gear is drilled then its a no-brainer. Otherwise do like Pete said.
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Originally posted by Duane in Indy Duane in Indy wrote:

If new gear is drilled then its a no-brainer. Otherwise do like Pete said.

Duane,
If the new gear requires machining (or the shaft), then chances are high that the cross drilled holes in the gear and shaft aren't in the correct place.
Grant,
Take a few measurements!


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DUI offers RR gears for their dizzys.   
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Just wondering how accurate your calipers are.

The typical early Ford 302 distributor had a shaft diameter of 0.467 inches where the gear mounts and people like Mallory, Prestolite etc. made their shafts the same diameter although the hole location for the pin varied. Maybe Pertronix decided to be a little different, or your measurement needs double checking.

Do a search for Sierra 18-26823. It's a 302 RR gear with a .467 inch inner diameter. It's a replacement for a Mallory gear. Ebasic has that one listed.

Whatever you do, you need a cast iron gear or you'll have issues with wear of the camshaft or gear.

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Originally posted by KENO KENO wrote:

Whatever you do, you need a cast iron gear or you'll have issues with wear of the camshaft or gear.
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Some Joe Gibbs break in grease and then an engine oil with a good ZDDP content doesn't hurt ether!


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Thanks for all responses, opinions & advice.
The measurement I posted of lower shaft is WRONG!
Correct diameter is .449
Yes, we will grease before final assembly. (Already done that once.)
And the ZDDP has been added.
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Do yourself a favor and take the gear off the shaft and measure the shaft right where the gear sits, it's usually a little bigger like about .015".or so.

That would add up to the .464" you got when you measured above the gear, but you gotta take it off anyways, so measure right where it goes.
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Grant

do a search for the 2015 pertronix catalog and scroll down to page 40 "Billet distributor Dimensions" and you'll see the ID listed for their drive gear on their 302. distributor

It's .467 inches, wrong direction of course since you say they don'r sell a RR, but get the Sierra gear I mentioned a couple posts ago (18-26823) and the worst you would have to do is drill a new hole for the pin if it's at a different height..

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Thanks for help so far.

A good friend died recently. (You'll see more on my website, grantmaclaren.com / Howard, RIP )

I'm still looking for the dizzy gear. Page 40 of '15 Pertronix catalog shows gear for Chevy only. My engine builder tells me Mallory 28034A is the one I need, but many sources tell me it's not available from them (even tho it shows up in their many catalogs.) I'm beginning to think I might end up buying some other brand dizzy.

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Forgot to mention, I did look at Sierra gear. $90? That would go a long way towards another distributor:
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And KENO, I did observe the "shoulder" on the shaft at gear bottom.
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why is your cam going opposite your crank
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It's gear driven, not chain.
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So you have a LH cam but need a RH dist gear? Is the cam gear RH? I am hella confused
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O"riley Auto Mallory Ignition - Distributor Drive Gear
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E-bay NIB OMC 5.0L 5.8L FORD 351W Ignition Distributor Mallory 28714A Gear Reverse Rot
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My sketch is a view from the rear of the engine, therefore "reverse" or "right-hand" rotation.
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Like Pete said "measure from end of shaft to bottom of gear before removing it" close counts does not need to be perfect Took me all of 10 minutes to change mine.,
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Duane, do you think this is it?
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