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JPASS
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I remove the plug to allow the boat to drain in the event my cover fails during a Florida rainstorm. Our boat is stored in the driveway under a full cover. I don't leave the ignition breaker on when the boat is stored.
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Airfooter
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Because it's illegal to transport a boat with the plug in it in some states, and should be in all states in my opinion. Have you read anything about invasive species and plants? Leaving the plug in and transporting water from lake to lake is a great way to spread them if you are around infested waters. |
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I didnt think about the bilge law thing.I frequent one lake and I have a personal boat ramp so thats non issue. The fan is mainly to dry the carpet and interior. I also have a large amp which draws alot so every time I put it up I toss the battery tender on it. My boat never sees the out doors unless its on the lake so I guess thats another thing im excempt from also.Just wondering guys not questioning any judgment on what should be done. Guess im in a different situation than most concerning plug removal.lol
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jbear
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Lake Hamilton just off RT27? Have never seen a ski boat on that lake. john |
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Vic, I don't pull the plug every time either. I'm pretty careful about not transferring foliage on the boat or trailer, check it all around after I retrieve the boat. But, the idea of something being transferred in the bilge water never occurred to me.
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Airfooter
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Here in MN the biggest concern with bilge water is zebra mussels and their microscopic eggs. A bad day start to the day here would be showing up to the boat ramp with your plug in :). The DNR has had quite the presence at a lot of boat ramps, so they'd be all over that. We even have to dump our water strainers.... If you are leaving zebra mussel infested waters, and are planning on launching in non-infested waters within a few days, it's recommended that you run your boat at a DNR high temp wash station to flush the engine. The DNR doesn't want to see any water leaving the ramp in the boat period.
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rosconole
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Yea man I used to bearfoot all up and down that side by US27 put in with our grove truck at that ramp since I lived on the other side of lake. usually had good water behind second effort (OMC) where they used to make and test props for all kinds of boats. We used to jump of Hazelwoods ramp every now and then , he used to have a Supra out there all the time.
Illegal to transport a boat with a plug in...well lock me up barney. |
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Orlando76
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Never ever ever ever leave a plug in! To begin with, that half gallon of water or so left in bilge will evaporate but evaporation is water going into the air, now you have that humid air trapped in bilge soaking into carpet, stringers, seats, etc. Then there's the issue with spreading invasive species. Possible cover failures while stored. And my favorite, once about 10 years old we joined some family friends on St Johns river for a weekend on their 35'er. So we had lots of gear, coolers, clothes etc in boat. Rather than fight this stuff to pop open doghouse and screw drain plug in, we screwed it in before loading. It was a 1.5 hour drive to the ramp, on the way it started storming, I was shocked. En route we also needed Dino juice so we stopped and in :45 the boat filled up with water to the point where the battery was submerged. Never thought to turn on bilge pump to just trailer the boat. All that weight, all that water finding it way into places it shouldn't. It's just a 2 second job, keep the plug with the key and you can't go wrong.
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SNobsessed
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Didn't realize this aspect. Probably should apply to the whole RW system. I'll have check Iowa law. Does the DNR flush station give you a document proving you flushed the engine out? |
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SNobsessed
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Didn't realize this aspect. Probably should apply to the whole RW system & ballast tanks for that matter. I'll have check Iowa law. Does the DNR flush station give you a document proving you flushed the engine out? |
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Re: the Zebra's, It's unfortunate it's already too late for so many lakes in my area including our lake. First noticed them last fall and it is amazing how rapidly they have increased in numbers in just one year.
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74Wind
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My home lake in the Finger Lakes (NY) has developed a zebra mussel issue. As the beach is shale they attach to the stones, now we have to wear water shoes, those things can really slice you up.
Here now in Georgia there is not a single natural lake in the state, all man made. Does that make US the invasive species? |
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Airfooter
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For me, the strainer was an issue because of the clear bowl and the officer could see the water sitting in it (I was asked to dump it before I left the ramp). The regulations don't specifically mention anything about it, but it's an easy thing to do so I just do it now. I'm not sure if you're given any documentation from a flush station. I've been told some are "self service", so I would assume probably not? But then again, you'd hope that you'd get something to prove that you went through the steps. I've never been to one myself as I stick to the lake we're on. The lake we're on has zebra mussels thanks to two idiots (a buyer and a seller) and a boat lift. The boat lift was purchased from infested waters and immediately put into our lake. There were hefty fines associated with it, but unfortunately it doesn't fix the issue. It's not near the point where a person has to wear shoes in the water, but hopefully the DNR comes up with a solution for them before it gets to that point. Unfortunately I'm afraid it's just a matter of time before they start to spread from lake to lake at an increased rate. |
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OverMyHead
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The strainer seams like small potatos. What about the other nearly 2 gallons in the engine, manifolds, and hoses? A guy should maybe hook the hose up to the engine flush and run before leaving the ramp. Ohhhhh it would sound so good!
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rosconole
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It would be pretty difficult to see the strainer on the trailer, what else was Mr. Officer looking for? Seems a little ridiculous.
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Airfooter
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That's exactly my thought and why I say that it's just a matter of time before the spread rate increases. In reality, if a person isn't flushing an engine, the strainer shouldn't matter. It's not worth my time to argue with an officer over dumping a strainer though. I'd feel more proud about running my boat before leaving the ramp if I didn't have the invertaflow and uni-exhaust... |
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74Wind
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Pretty intense enforcement up there. We ride a 400 mile shoreline lake in georgia and in five years have never even seen any form of law enforcement.
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JoeinNY
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We spent three years steam cleaning boats and bleaching bilges up in these parts to keep away the zebras- we gave that up 15 years ago when it became quite apparent it was not effective.
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74Wind
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15 years sounds about right for Keuka. |
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I'm kind of curious to look into this. So, I can see the strainer catching leaves and stuff, maybe even mussel eggs (I have no clue how they reproduce, just guessing) so by dumping the strainer it might dump the harmful stuff instead of taking a chance on something passing through. But is the engine water contaminated with something that can spread the mussels/milfoil? Here in NH they have a good volunteer program that inspects boats and trailers from the outside, but I've never heard cooling water mentioned.
Knowing how our engines flow water, I doubt a hot water flush would get more than 50% of the water our anyway, if the stat isn't open the engine water is just sitting there. |
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JP, As others has stated dont sweat the plug we have all done that before! Hope your knee heels soon! I must ask it appears your driver was pulling you WAY too fast by looking at the rooster tail and wake shape!?! |
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I have heard that people have blown out the tires on their boat trailers after the boat and trailer were in a bad storm on the highway. This was when the plug was not removed. However, I have not seen this with my own eyes and I do not know if it is true or not. I do know that Florida can have some real bad storms.
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OverMyHead
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In Minnesota we have hoses right at some of the busy ramps to delouse the boat and trailer. I would think the stat might still be open when being pulled out of the lake. "I would think" being the qualifier. I have the transom engine flush so it would be easy, And again with the 2001 dual exhaust what a nice little concert it would be for the people waiting in line for the hose! |
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OverMyHead
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How is the knee doing?
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For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats.
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JPASS
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18 mph is how fast we were going. That's not too fast from what I've read. I definitely picked up a bit of speed when I cut in, but I don't believe our tow speeds are excessive. My understanding is that it's not unheard of to tow 20-22mph for people who know what they're doing. |
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JPASS
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Knee is doing great. Thanks for asking. I could probably jog on it with no issues, but I won't. No pain or swelling at all. Training legs today at the gym for the first time in a week. Going super light. Probably just move the rack with no weights and see how it goes. See the Dr in a week and half. I'll know more then. |
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halfnelly
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18mph is pretty slow for wakeboarding. Rope length also has a large effect on how fast you need to go. The bigger the wake, the longer the rope can be and the faster the boat speed will need to be. With a boat full of ballast, 75-80ft at 21-23mph is about the norm. Smaller wakes usually require shortening the rope up a bit since it's pretty small at 75+ft/22mph. A longer rope will make jumps feel floatier, too. In the old days, we were influenced by trick skiing so rope length was very short and only needed 17-19mph. Everything happens much faster at that line length and it's difficult not to land way past the second wake.
From the looks of the video, you were carrying a lot of speed but had pretty much stopped cutting at the wake. This basically translates into a lot of speed but no load on the rope, which usually results in being off balance in the air. When you're knee is feeling better and you get back on the board, try working on starting your cut slow, building speed slowly, and maintaining your edge all the way through the wake. This will load the rope and maximize pop without having to carry a lot of unnecessary speed. If you do it right, you can clear the second wake even starting at the base of the first wake. Hope your knee feels better soon! |
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JPASS
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Thanks for the tips Halfnelly. Maybe in the spring we can arrange to meet up and you can give us some pointers. We can use the help. We usually use 60-65' rope length. Haven't tried going with a longer rope yet.
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