Thinking of upgrading, your thoughts??

bkhallpass wrote: Way overpriced for all that is wrong with that boat. Speed is also very suspect. Should do at least 42,43. Maybe more. I don't know that I would call the 210 smaller boat, except for the weight.   211 weighs 700lbs more. 210 rated for more people. 211 is a better surf boat than 210, not even close IMO. Wakeboard, I would say is a matter of taste. 210 has the steep wake that boots the rider. 211 has a more rampy wake that is more similar to what the new wakeboard boats produce.BKH

GPS had her topped out at 36. Maybe it was the way she was propped? No idea.

The 2005 210 seems like a smaller boat in regards to how high the sides of boat are from the water surface compared to the 2008 211.

I didn't like the fact that the 211 is no longer in production.

All of the items that weren't working would be fixed for the $40K asking price as would be a fairly new EZ loader Nautique trailer that the salesman sent a pic of this AM.

Going to look at the 2005 210 this weekend hopefully.

phatsat67 wrote: They are asking a premium price for a sub par boat. Issues like that boat has are all completely fixed before we advertise something which is why we can ask premium pricing for boats. If you could beat them down to 34 or so I would say to for it and slowly fix what needs to be done.

They were originally asking $44,9000. They reduced it to $39,900. They said they would fix everything (except for the two cushions)and include a nice looking trailer for $39,900.

I don't love the boat enough to spend that kind of coin at the moment. I'd rather wait for something else.

JP, take a look at the 2004 210 on N3's site (N3boatworks.com). Look at how clean that boat is for $28,500. It has 1,000 hours, but hours don't always tell the story. I don't know anything about it, you could ask Zach, but that looks like a boat worth spending a bit extra for.

The colors aren't a scheme I'd like, just mentioning it as an example of value for the buck.

63 Skier wrote: JP, take a look at the 2004 210 on N3's site (N3boatworks.com). Look at how clean that boat is for $28,500. It has 1,000 hours, but hours don't always tell the story. I don't know anything about it, you could ask Zach, but that looks like a boat worth spending a bit extra for. The colors aren't a scheme I'd like, just mentioning it as an example of value for the buck.

This N3 boat would be the bomb next July 4th. While I have not purchased anything from N3, based on their videos, and the quality of their boats I would not hesitate to consider a used boat from them. As many have mentioned on this site, maintenance history is the key when looking at a high hour boat. Looks like it has either Wet Sounds REV8's or PRO80's on the tower. Nice!

That 2005 SAN on CL looked nice too. Low hours and a single owner boat. Big plus!

Salesman came back with a used (rather nice) 2 axle ramlin and the boat for $39600 + TTTL. They would fix the docking lights and ballast pumps if they were simply fixes. If it was more than bulbs and an impeller, then they wouldn't repair them and we'd have to take the boat as is. They would not repair the upholstery either way.

I have an appointment to go look at the 2005 210 on Friday. $29,900, does not include a trailer.



Half the fun is shopping and test driving. I've never driven any of these boats. Amazing how different they are.

Hollywood wrote: Is your tow vehicle ready for any of these bigger boats?

Towing capacity is 6100lbs. I think I'm good.

You are in the buyers portion of the market now being end of season. Keep that in mind during negotiations.

DFoster has a nice 211.They surf, ski, and wakeboard (and possibly now wakeskate?? ) behind it. I was in it at the Ct Mini but did not ride behind it. he has gutted the factory ballast in favor of a more robust set up and the wake looked very nice. I really like the idea of the walkt hru over the sundeck for accessing the platform, but I don't prefer the look, so that's a trade off for me. I also find the seating arrangement in the 211 to be a little odd.

My SAN on the other hand is not great for skiing, but If I want to take a run I go behind my BILs MC so no biggie for me. I have had much better skiers than myself behind it and while its not great, it is doable. The surf wake is ok with the right set-up and the wakeboard wake is stellar. It is pretty abrupt and steep, but you can add weight to the floor and the nose to make it a little mellower/rampy. took a bit to get used to but it really is a fun boat to ride behind. I have also towed several long line barefooters behind it. It has the Excal 330 and runs about 41-42 depending on conditions with the stock Acme 644 @ 5000 rpm. The boat also handles extremely well for a wake boat. A friend just bought a new 2014 Tige V drive and while the surf wake is nice, the wakeboard wake pales in comparison, even with more factory ballast and the TAPS system. It's amazing how far ahead of it's time that hull was.

I bought mine new in Dec 05 and it currently has over 550 hours on it. I had to replace the heater core due to a crack in the inlet nipple a few years ago, other than that the only issue I've had in 550+ hours was a stuck(open) T-stat this spring. A quick WFO run up the lake followed by a heat soaking popped it free and it's been fine all season- no tools required! I have zero complaints and zero regrets with my purchase. It's probably not worth anymore than the 30k he's asking for that one, but I don't think I could let mine go for that, it's just been too good to me.

And frankly, I like the more classic lines of that hull compared to the newer ones and I certainly don't warrant anymore performance on a personal level than a boat of that caliber provides. Good luck with whatever you decide. If you mostly wakeboard, you can"t go wrong with that boat.

I want to know where you found blue skies at? I'm gonna build an ark.

Of the things you list, I have 2 concerns. First is the driveline vibration. It's not weeds, it's something in the driveline. Second, it's the 9 year old boat being neglected and beat on. People who don't take care of the rest of the boat don't take care of the mechanical stuff either. So, I'd bet it's been neglected from a maintenance standpoint and who knows how long that driveline has been run with either a misaligned shaft or other problem.

So, I'd probably pass on it. If I was buying, figuring the market for '05 boats of similar style is in the high 20's or so, I'd probably not pay more than $22,000 or so based on needing a lot of care and possible transmission rebuild.

Mike, sounds like we agree.

There are definitely times when hours don't tell the story. I'd buy your boat with 1,000 hours every time before buying this one with 272. Most of us don't reach the useful life of an engine on a properly maintained boat, in my mind 2,000 hours with ease. Beat up boats need to sell at the very low end of the market, regardless of how few hours are on them.

JPASS wrote: Hoping to take her out for a test drive tomorrow. My buddy said he wold gladly buy our '92 for $7500. I knew I should have never gone there. Now we have the wantsies.

That's a great price for the 92!
I like the Green color. But the blue one is nice too, and less $$.

I like the colors, that's not original upholstery though. Your own your own guessing at the hours on the boats that have digital gauges.   You have no idea if the gauge is the original so there is no way to get a true idea of the hours.

I don't know if it's posted here, but Wake Slayer has his 99 Python powered SS for sale.

I'm not convinced I like that trailer. No bow stop means no power loading, and the fenders don't appear to have any protection in case the hull drifts over them or up against them when retrieving.

The 2004 SANTE 210 at N3 still looks to be available.

Here is a quick video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=FaHgkI1Ncuw