New Owner
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Printed Date: June-08-2024 at 9:43am
Topic: New Owner
Posted By: Puck
Subject: New Owner
Date Posted: November-04-2007 at 12:56pm
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We just bought (too late now) a 1974 Southwind 20 from a little old lady in docksiders.
The boat was in the water under canopy 33 summers. Covered in winters. Interior looks like new. Her kids learned to ski behind it. Then it became evening outings on Lake Minnetonka. It ran just great in demo. The last 5 summers probably had no more that 10-15 hours per year everage. It was serviced every fall by the marina that stored it. Who knows? Just soda ashed paint off of hull. Hull looks good. Compression test shows (1) 95, (2) 92, (3) 100, (4) 95, (5)-(8) all 100. We're going to pull the motor (Ford 351A) and take it to the engine repair experts. Any help in what to watch out for would be appreciated. Puck |
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Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: November-04-2007 at 1:09pm
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your wallet, make sure they overhaul alot of marine engines for proper clearances, lets face it we all can rebuild motors, do they get done right is the question.
ask alot of questions and see if he will supply you with a list of past customers, if he shy's away then i would look for a different engine guy, stay away from billy bobs garage rebuilder, yes they are cheaper but for a reason. welcome by the way. Post what area you are in and one of these guys may have a good motor contact ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: November-04-2007 at 1:11pm
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It's always great to add to the CC family. Welcome. Sounds like you have made a very good find with the Southwind. My only concern would be the integrity of the stringers. Since you are pulling the engine, it would be a good time to check for any rot. The amount of use the boat has seen over the years is not as influential to rot as simply age.
Did you do a leak down on the engine as well? Are you going for a full rebuild or just the top end? ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: November-04-2007 at 1:16pm
Eric, Careful!! I got my butt chewed out one day making a comment like that. It was by you know who that has the same first name!! ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
eric lavine wrote:Posted By: Puck
Date Posted: November-04-2007 at 1:36pm
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Thanks for help. Will check on stringers when the motor's out. Don't know about leak down. Was done by my local marina. I'll check it out.
Looking at Hennen Engine, St. Boni, MN. They do a lot of marine engines. They're also big in forklifts. Have you ever skied behind a forklift? Puck |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: November-04-2007 at 1:36pm
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Billy sutton's ba ba ba boat we pair, i meant Eric bobs boat repair ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: boat dr
Date Posted: November-04-2007 at 1:46pm
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Things must be slow for you to be slammin' Billy Bob and his gang of monkeys....
We Ain't SLOW, We Ain't FAST...... ......WE ARE HALF FAST..... ------------- boat dr /diaries/details.asp?ID=4631 - 1949 Dart /diaries/details.asp?ID=1533 - 1964 American Skier |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: November-04-2007 at 1:58pm
Just trying to save you some dollars which is one of Eric's concerns as well. Do you know how many hours are on the engine? The Fords of that era have a tendency to have problems in the top end so maybe that's all that is needed. I've found the best performance from skiing with the forklift is with about 500 pounds removed from the counter weight. The Hysters with the GM engines will outrun the Toyota's. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: November-04-2007 at 1:58pm
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ridicule is a form of flattery, Whats up BD, I got some Walleye in which i will be beer battering later, of course you so boys dont know what walleye is, it is equal to craw dads up here in the north, it is a fresh water fish that melts in your mouth, I had Perch last night in the deep fryer and i saved the walleye for today ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: November-04-2007 at 2:01pm
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the hysters are using Vortechs nowadays....thats why they are fast ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: Puck
Date Posted: November-04-2007 at 3:37pm
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hope your top engine guess is correct . we think so. hr. meter shows 160. so its dead or turned over. have a pulsifer hampton lobster boat we hauled to Mn. from maine if the fork lift fails we'll pull the 23 hp yanmar diesel and save fuel$. again thanks puck. |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: November-04-2007 at 5:37pm
If the boat ran good and the the compression test results were fine (all within 10%), then why are you pulling the motor? Its a 351w, by the way. Welcome to the site. ------------- |
Posted By: Puck
Date Posted: November-04-2007 at 5:57pm
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good question. I was told numbers should be around 120-130. Is that to much to ask for a 1974? The w may be from the waukesha on the engine nameplate. puck |
Posted By: jbear
Date Posted: November-04-2007 at 9:51pm
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eric; Made my mouth water talkin' about the walleye...none better any where. Those small perch fillets are a close second. Lake Erie is gooooood!
Welcome to the site Puck. Lotsa info here. john ------------- "Loud pipes save lives" AdamT sez "I'm Canadian and a beaver lover myself"... |
Posted By: 05 210
Date Posted: November-05-2007 at 11:08am
Are you checking it with the throttle open or closed ? Mike ------------- http:/diaries/details.asp?ID=2219" rel="nofollow - Air Nautique 210 Team 640 hours, not 1 regret |
Posted By: Puck
Date Posted: November-05-2007 at 12:39pm
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Mike I'm off to the marina to find out. Thanks to you and the rest of you guys for good info. I havent worked on an ic engine since I put one in a 40 ford when I was in school. Sort of like learning to read all over. puck. |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: November-05-2007 at 12:53pm
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Don't forget to ask if they did a leak down too. With the low hours on that engine and the within 10% compression I think we are wondering if the marina is steering you in the proper direction! I think I would start it up and rev it up to pour some Seafoam, Marvel Mystery or ATF down it and see what happens. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: November-05-2007 at 1:14pm
The numbers might vary depending on the particular gauge and the method they used. With very little variation, Id tend to think the motor was OK. The W is for Windsor- the Ford engine family that the 351 is in. ------------- |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: November-05-2007 at 3:10pm
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in sitations like this, I have a scope that you insert through the spark plug hole, its a series of mirrors and an eye piece with a fiber optic light, you can accurately inspect the walls for what type of damage or wear you might see. you can look at piston scuff to see if engine had been overheated at one time, you also can look a the ridge at the top of the walls to see if a rebuild is justifiable. if you see piston scuff it is usually a sign of the squirts expanding and scuffing the walls, also this is a sign that the rings may be galled into the pistons and not making contact with the walls lowering your comp ratio.
The ridge at the top if excessive is a sign of wear or not enough oil changes over thew years. what will warrant a rebuild of course is low compression, excessive blow by, poor fuel economy, lack of power, blue smoke, white smoke and possibly black smoke. Accurately troubleshooting the engine is key here to what type of rebuild you may need. If possible troubleshoot it yourself because of all the variables including...was the engine at op temp when performing the comp test, what is the correct spec for this engine, did they pour oil in the engine to try to raise the comp ratio to determine if it is rings or possibly the valves are carboned up and so on. Its easy to do a comp test your self if you understand how to do it and what to look for. read the directions carefully because it is not a matter of plugging in the tester and cranking over the engine. Its very easy to say you have low compression to warrant a rebuild but at this point i would ask why is it doing what its doing and the person who did the test should have a decissive answer on why the engine is doing what it is doing Eric ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: November-05-2007 at 3:22pm
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J-Bear, I took some peanut oil, great lakes Dortmunder, some paprika, some garlic, cut up some big Vidallia onions and cooked some fish yesterday.....beer batter, it was to die for, the peanut oil is the way to go, it keeps the fish from getting oil soaked. some of these guys on the site probably never had Walleye or Lake Erie Perch, It is a fish compared to nothing else that comes out of the water, if you've ever had it i need to say no more ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: 2_Nautiques
Date Posted: November-05-2007 at 4:01pm
I'm with ya Eric, fryed up about 5 lbs of perch last night for supper from some or our catch this fall. Sat, would have been a great day for catching more, but the boat is already winterized gotta love those perch.------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1160" rel="nofollow - 1988 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: Puck
Date Posted: November-05-2007 at 4:39pm
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Went to the marina. Found the mechanic and he agrees we should do further compression testing especially since boat was run only twice this summer. Boat is now stored indoors on concrete floor for hull dryout after soda ash blast. Next work will be "winter work" starting Dec. after frozen lake shuts outdoor stuff down.
The letter I thought was an "A" was a 351-"4". Nameplate says Waukesha Motor Co. Clinton IA. Hr meter says 0163.3 so engine hours will remain a mystery. Re: walleye - nothing beats MN walleye caught in the ice cold winter water except it's tough to troll when the ice is 2'-3' thick. I'll try the peanut oil. Thanks. We'll talk again after Dec. testing. Puck |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: November-05-2007 at 4:44pm
Makes sense- the 4 should indicate that its a 4-barrel motor. Waukesha became PCM, I believe, which is the marinization company that Correct Craft still uses. ------------- |
Posted By: jbear
Date Posted: November-06-2007 at 12:13am
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eric: You are killin' me. No one down here had heard of Walleye. I bet the guy with 2-Nautiques (HI Matt) has a heck of a time with that Cuddy on the big Lake. Wow would I like a fall trip on that boat!
BTW Matt...was on your river years ago ('78-'79?) for the Barefoot Nationals. john ------------- "Loud pipes save lives" AdamT sez "I'm Canadian and a beaver lover myself"... |
Posted By: 87BFN owner
Date Posted: November-06-2007 at 1:00am
Posted By: jbear
Date Posted: November-06-2007 at 1:12am
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Sounds good to me. Jim you glad about the Ford settlement?
john ------------- "Loud pipes save lives" AdamT sez "I'm Canadian and a beaver lover myself"... |
Posted By: 87BFN owner
Date Posted: November-06-2007 at 1:20am
Posted By: jbear
Date Posted: November-06-2007 at 1:22am
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Gotta keep workin' to pay for gas. At least you have a good trade. Yeah..ours always sounded good up front...had to watch the fine print. So your plant is on the "keeper" list? Good' ------------- "Loud pipes save lives" AdamT sez "I'm Canadian and a beaver lover myself"... |
Posted By: 87BFN owner
Date Posted: November-06-2007 at 1:26am
Posted By: jbear
Date Posted: November-06-2007 at 2:39am
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You guys are going thru a very tough "shaking out" period right now. I hope you are ok. Remember once steel was king..you would never have thought back in the 60's that the steel industry in this country would die.
john ------------- "Loud pipes save lives" AdamT sez "I'm Canadian and a beaver lover myself"... |