1983 skinautiuqe toggle switches
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Printed Date: May-21-2024 at 10:39pm
Topic: 1983 skinautiuqe toggle switches
Posted By: Tydamon
Subject: 1983 skinautiuqe toggle switches
Date Posted: May-24-2020 at 11:40pm
| I'm brandnew to this forum and I'm looking for some help I have a 1983 ski nautiuqe 2001. I'm looking for replacement toggle switches and no matter how hard I search I can't seem to find the oem style switches. They are Carling switches and even on their website they don't have what I need. |
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Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: May-25-2020 at 4:24pm
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Do you have any pictures of the switch you need or part number off of it? How many poles are on the back? ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1711&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970" rel="nofollow - 69 Mustang HM SS 95 Nautique Super Sport |
Posted By: 75 Tique
Date Posted: May-25-2020 at 4:39pm
Dees dem? ------------- _____________ “So, how was your weekend?” “Well, let me see…sun burn, stiff neck, screwed up back, assorted aches and pains….yup, my weekend was great, thanks for asking.” |
Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: May-25-2020 at 6:21pm
I don't know Larry. But I do know this without the original poster posting a picture of what they need it leaves out us seasoned boat parts horders who often don't even know what we end up with. Got these from the Godfather at the river run a number of years ago. No one wanted them they were going to get thrown out. I have 1 single pole and several 3 pole? on/off/on ones. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1711&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970" rel="nofollow - 69 Mustang HM SS 95 Nautique Super Sport |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: May-25-2020 at 6:37pm
2 pole double throw.  ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Gary S wrote:Posted By: 75 Tique
Date Posted: May-25-2020 at 6:51pm
That photo i found was good enough to remind me of what they looked like. Sort of translucent handles, pinkish/reddish, look like handles that light up, but pretty sure they dont. Npt sure original matters in this case. I replaced the 3 or 4 toggles on my tique a few times. Dont seem to like water environments. One batch looked like the ones you are showing Gary, another time they had more the paddle style, another time, just the standard "tear drop" type metal handle. If you do them all probably doesnt matter, unless you are hard core "keep it original" which I do understand as well. They look something like this except this one doesnt look tinted ------------- _____________ “So, how was your weekend?” “Well, let me see…sun burn, stiff neck, screwed up back, assorted aches and pains….yup, my weekend was great, thanks for asking.” |
Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: May-25-2020 at 7:35pm
I only know tip and ring- on hook off hook and ...... ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1711&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970" rel="nofollow - 69 Mustang HM SS 95 Nautique Super Sport |
Posted By: KENO
Date Posted: May-25-2020 at 7:39pm
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Posted By: MourningWood
Date Posted: May-25-2020 at 7:46pm
Actually, they do......light up. At least originally they did. ------------- 1994 Ski Nautique "Riot" 1964 Dunphy X-55 "One 'N Dun" 'I measured twice, cut three times, and it's still too short!" |
Posted By: Tydamon
Date Posted: May-25-2020 at 7:57pm
Those are it sir |
Posted By: DVskier
Date Posted: May-26-2020 at 12:00am
| E&M? |
Posted By: Tydamon
Date Posted: May-26-2020 at 12:21am
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They are Carling switches. The one I need is a 4 pole switch for the bilge pump |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: May-26-2020 at 7:51am
Tyler, A 4 poll toggle. is on the unusual side. Why do you need 4 polls? ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: Tydamon
Date Posted: May-26-2020 at 9:05am
| I'm not sure all I know is that's what it had oem and that's what I'm looking for |
Posted By: Tydamon
Date Posted: May-26-2020 at 9:09am
| If I could figure out how to post pictures on this site I would post them |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: May-26-2020 at 9:12am
Tyler, A four pole double throw switch will have 12 terminals on it.  How many terminals does your original switch have? 6? ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: KENO
Date Posted: May-26-2020 at 9:24am
How about sending a picture of the back of your switch to this email keno439@gmail.com Then I could post it here for you and then we will all collectively come up with the switch you need with the right terminology. Does this switch have a middle off position and it can be flipped in either direction? Or is it 2 positions with no mid position? |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: May-26-2020 at 9:42am
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Tyler, Before you go getting a switch, what's up with yours's? Have you done some testing to determine it's bad? ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: 75 Tique
Date Posted: May-26-2020 at 10:12am
I am guessing this is what he is referring to, Pete, but I could be wrong. ------------- _____________ “So, how was your weekend?” “Well, let me see…sun burn, stiff neck, screwed up back, assorted aches and pains….yup, my weekend was great, thanks for asking.” |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: May-26-2020 at 10:27am
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Larry, Thanks and you may be correct. We'll see if we get the picture. I think Tyler was confused after our retired phone man posted his take on poles.  ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: Tydamon
Date Posted: May-26-2020 at 11:38am
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Switch is broke off. Picture of what the fuse is are coming |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: May-26-2020 at 12:28pm
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Tyler, If you are sending Ken the picture, great as he can post it. Regarding posting pictures, this is from a previous thread:
------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: MourningWood
Date Posted: May-26-2020 at 12:35pm
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If this helps... Pretty sure the original switch has 3-positions: 1. Bilge pump off 2. Bilge pump on 3. Bilge pump on "automatic" (via the float). ------------- 1994 Ski Nautique "Riot" 1964 Dunphy X-55 "One 'N Dun" 'I measured twice, cut three times, and it's still too short!" |
Posted By: KENO
Date Posted: May-26-2020 at 12:38pm
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Here are Tyler's pictures. Should be posting info here about switch positions etc either ON OFF ON or ON OFF  
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Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: May-26-2020 at 12:48pm
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Tyler, From the way the switch is wired (only 2 wires), all that's needed is a single poll single throw (SPST). That would simply turn the pump on and off. The picture Gary posted of the toggle with two terminals is the one. Is there any evidence that it ever had 3 wires on the switch? ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: 75 Tique
Date Posted: May-26-2020 at 12:54pm
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Guess that goes back to what has been said in the past, about how CC would use what ever is handy. Why else that switch for just on and off? Tho another possibility is that a PO got in there and fiddled with the wiring. Per Ken's question, what are the throws on that switch, maybe at one time (I have no idea if this was even a thing in the 80's ) maybe it had three positions (and more wires) with off - on - auto? Sometimes I (not being overly smart about such things) look at the back of toggle switches with an odd, no not odd, a strange number of poles, and wonder, what does that switch do, what is going on inside of it? ------------- _____________ “So, how was your weekend?” “Well, let me see…sun burn, stiff neck, screwed up back, assorted aches and pains….yup, my weekend was great, thanks for asking.” |
Posted By: Tydamon
Date Posted: May-26-2020 at 1:36pm
| I definitely need to get on the computer so I can post pictures and keep everyone updated I know this can get pretty confusing and I'm not 100% clear on the whole issue I guess. The switch that I sent Ken to post for me is for something else but they are the same switches. The build pump switch that I need has a toggle completely broken off and had four wires hooked up. So I'm no expert by any means but I would guess like previously stated it has an on off and automatic so I need to switch with four posts on it. I know we have old boats but I wish there's a website that sold things for these old boats |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: May-26-2020 at 4:03pm
Tyler, Does the bilge pump switch have 3 wires connected to it? Does it have a center off position? (with the toggle handle broken off, this may be hard to determine) Is there a float switch in the bilge? As mentioned, a on-off-on switch would be manually on one way, off center and then automatic the other position via the float switch. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: Tydamon
Date Posted: May-26-2020 at 4:12pm
| The bilge pump switch actually has four wires going into it. I cannot tell what positions to switch has because the toggle is broke clean off. By building does have a float in it and does work |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: May-26-2020 at 4:15pm
Here's the typical wiring for a on-off-automatic pump. Where's the 4th wire go? ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: KENO
Date Posted: May-26-2020 at 5:31pm
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Here's JT's expertly colored dash diagram for an 83 that shows a manual bilge pump switch with no auto feature. I figure there were auto pumps that year too I think that Mourning Wood should dive under his dash and take a picture of his auto bilge pump switch wiring and that would be real helpful to Tyler
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Posted By: MourningWood
Date Posted: May-26-2020 at 8:04pm
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I'd be glad to.... but my boats and I are socially distanced by about an hour. Maybe tomorrow. ------------- 1994 Ski Nautique "Riot" 1964 Dunphy X-55 "One 'N Dun" 'I measured twice, cut three times, and it's still too short!" |
Posted By: KENO
Date Posted: May-26-2020 at 8:06pm
You're an OK guy
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Posted By: Tydamon
Date Posted: May-26-2020 at 8:27pm
That's a good piece of information buddy thank you very much. I want to thank everybody for being so helpful on this forum first off. Mine definitely has an automatic setting I would think because the bilge pump automatically turns on if there's water in the bilge. The other thing is mine's definitely an 83 but it has four toggle switches on my dashboard and the The wiring diagram that you posted only shows three switches. Minor labeled navigation, blower, pump, and then the fourth is so faded I can't read it when I flick it it doesn't do anything so I'm not sure there's definitely wires to it though and it looks factory |
Posted By: KENO
Date Posted: May-26-2020 at 8:36pm
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That extra switch is just an extra switch It's probably the second one down from the top and it's been noted many times to go nowhere. Kinda an extra for an accessory. Mourning Wood could probably verify that too. Click on the link for an old thread about this, there are others too. http://www.correctcraftfan.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=31129&title=1984-sn2001-dash-wiring-fuses" rel="nofollow - link |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: May-26-2020 at 8:56pm
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Tyler, On the switch-
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Posted By: Tydamon
Date Posted: May-26-2020 at 9:36pm
| 8123pbbrainard there are four separate wires connected to four different terminals. Keno your spot on bud is the second one down from top and does nothing, but there's wires going into the back of it lol doesn't make much sense but oh well I'll plug something into it and make it be useful |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: May-26-2020 at 9:44pm
------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: KENO
Date Posted: May-26-2020 at 10:55pm
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Give him a chance Pete Since you keep asking him where the 4th wire goes I'll say it as many times as you've asked It goes to ground It goes to ground Now as far as why, he's got a lighted switch (or at least it was before the handle broke) . Mourning Wood already mentioned the lighted switches One wire for power into the switch Another for power to the bilge pump in manual Another wire for the bilge pump float switch And that ground wire is there because it's needed for the little internal light to have a ground path so it'll work.. The bilge pump will work just fine in manual or auto without the black ground wire hooked up on the switch |
Posted By: Tydamon
Date Posted: May-27-2020 at 12:07am
It is a lighted switch and all my lighted switches work. I would like to buy another lighted switch so basically does anyone know where I can find four post illuminated toggle switches? |
Posted By: KENO
Date Posted: May-27-2020 at 8:38am
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I figure if you wait on more info from MourningWood your chances of finding something exact will be better. Maybe not great, but better anyways Otherwise it'll be pretty easy to come up with a non lighted switch that will work |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: May-27-2020 at 8:41am
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Tyler, Now that we have figured out what you need, https://megadepot.com/product/bep-1001907-spdt-lighted-toggle-switch-on-off-on" rel="nofollow - here's your lighted SPDT center off switch Unfortunately there's a $150 minimum. But, at least you can now search other source for the same switch. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: May-27-2020 at 8:46am
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https://www.bing.com/search?q=BEP%2C+1001907&form=EDNTHT&mkt=en-us&httpsmsn=1&msnews=1&rec_search=1&plvar=0&refig=800a96e40e6842f1cc5c8aeffe0fd1d4&sp=-1&pq=bep%2C+1001907&sc=5-12&qs=n&sk=&cvid=800a96e40e6842f1cc5c8aeffe0fd1d4" rel="nofollow - Plenty of sources come up for the switch ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: KENO
Date Posted: May-27-2020 at 8:48am
You forgot to tell him what the 5th terminal on the linked switch is for Pete and it's really pretty easy to find that switch in a quantity of 1 with no minimum order requirements. |
Posted By: Tydamon
Date Posted: May-27-2020 at 10:42am
| Perfect. I ordered some thank you guys for the help |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: May-27-2020 at 11:10am
I see it's a pick on Pete first thing in the morning again. It's always a pleasure to help you out with your daily head fix. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: KENO
Date Posted: May-27-2020 at 11:58am
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Oh poor little Petey I guess you make the rules on what constitutes being picked on It's a pretty one way thing in your mind, you can just make your jabs and that's OK but if somebody points out something like the above switch having an extra terminal with no explanation of what it's for and maybe something like how to wire it right...............then you make the decision that you're being picked on...............Grow up By the way since your "selective memory loss" is still kicked in, we'll quote this question one more time. That's Pete style by the way ...........keep on quoting yourself when somebody doesn't answer your question. Still waiting for the answer
[/QUOTE] I guess you couldn't just say we were both correct yesterday I think you did some learnin'And speaking of this "other site" .........what is this "other site"? Here's the quote and lack of answer from you back in the water pump thread. It looks like you ignored it twice already
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Posted By: 75 Tique
Date Posted: May-27-2020 at 12:11pm
Great idea, Why didnt I think of that? Oh yeah, I did, two days ago. (admittedly a fairly pricey version, but could have led to the search for a more economical version) Nobody ever listens to me, look at all the kerfuffle that could have been avoided.
------------- _____________ “So, how was your weekend?” “Well, let me see…sun burn, stiff neck, screwed up back, assorted aches and pains….yup, my weekend was great, thanks for asking.” |
Posted By: MourningWood
Date Posted: May-27-2020 at 12:22pm
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It's the 7:00 a.m. school bell, and I've already learned that: The lighted accessory switches were a new feature for '83. The 3-position bilge switch may have debuted in '83. The '82 (non-lighted) uses a 2-terminal "PUMP" switch, even though there is a float. No battery, so I couldn't prove the circuits. As shown, the second switch down is a on-off with a hot wire coming in, but no function. An accessory accessory switch... Nice drive, good exercise but sorry, not much help.  ------------- 1994 Ski Nautique "Riot" 1964 Dunphy X-55 "One 'N Dun" 'I measured twice, cut three times, and it's still too short!" |
Posted By: DVskier
Date Posted: May-27-2020 at 8:17pm
| Was it backyardhack.com? |
Posted By: hal2814
Date Posted: May-27-2020 at 9:14pm
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As a former 83 owner I will caution you that over the last 37 years your switches have yellowed. That new one will stick out like a sore thumb. It’s not obscenely expensive to replace the whole set. You’ll need a mix of single and double throws if you go that route. Also, FWIW I didn’t have a float switch for my bilge. My second to top switch wasn’t wired to anything. I ran it to as an on/off for the stereo. Not sure what it came like from the factory though. |
Posted By: KENO
Date Posted: May-27-2020 at 10:10pm
Nah, that's not it, but we could probably fun playing "guess the non existent website"
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Posted By: Tydamon
Date Posted: May-27-2020 at 10:35pm
I orderd all 3 singles and one double. Mine has an aftermarket bilge with a built in float |
Posted By: MourningWood
Date Posted: May-28-2020 at 3:09am
Too bad you couldn't have shared that little nugget of information 3 days and 53 posts ago... ------------- 1994 Ski Nautique "Riot" 1964 Dunphy X-55 "One 'N Dun" 'I measured twice, cut three times, and it's still too short!" |
Posted By: Tydamon
Date Posted: May-28-2020 at 7:59am
Read back big guy I stated I had a bilge with a float. My reason for the post was to locate the switch I needed. Once someone helped in which I'm very thankful for I ordered all new. Again thanks for the help |
Posted By: MourningWood
Date Posted: May-28-2020 at 9:32am
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What you posted was you needed a switch. Your toggle was broken. You needed a 3-position switch with 4 terminals, as was originally installed. But in the end, you ordered a 2-position switch because your aftermarket pump has an integrated float which does not require a 3-position switch. Which is wired differently than originally equipped. Which would have been good to know. No harm no foul, you got your problem remedied. ------------- 1994 Ski Nautique "Riot" 1964 Dunphy X-55 "One 'N Dun" 'I measured twice, cut three times, and it's still too short!" |