PCM GT40 1700hrs
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Topic: PCM GT40 1700hrs
Posted By: JimGo
Subject: PCM GT40 1700hrs
Date Posted: January-12-2017 at 10:34am
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Hi, I am looking to buy a ski nautique open bow, year 2000. The hull and the interior finish is in real good condition, but the engine (GT40 PCM) has 1700 hours. I am only worried for the engine. What do you think about it ? Thanks |
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Posted By: JPASS
Date Posted: January-12-2017 at 10:56am
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Traded our '92 SN a couple of years ago with over 1800 hours on her and she ran like a champ. Compression check revealed she was beyond healthy. I wouldn't be too worried so long as the drivetrain was properly maintained. Be sure to have the motor gone over prior to purchase. ------------- '92 Correctcraft Ski Nautique |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: January-12-2017 at 11:50am
| What is beyond healthy? |
Posted By: Duane in Indy
Date Posted: January-12-2017 at 12:04pm
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If the money is right and it is a nice enough package to suit you, then pull the trigger. IF your car had that many hours on it and IF you averaged 60 mph (which in all probability would be closer to 30 mph average) then you would only have 102,000 miles on it If in doubt leave enough $$ on the table to go thru it when it is ready. JMO ------------- Keep it as original as YOU want it 1978 Mustang (modified) |
Posted By: quinner
Date Posted: January-12-2017 at 12:07pm
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One concern on that model year is the infamously bad gauges, when replaced the hour meter starts from zero again. Does the boat have perfect pass? If so would see what the hours are on PP as a comparison. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1143" rel="nofollow - Mi Bowt |
Posted By: JPASS
Date Posted: January-12-2017 at 12:39pm
155 psi in all 8 cylinders on a 20+ year old boat with 1800+ hours on her. I'd say that's pretty healthy. No? ------------- '92 Correctcraft Ski Nautique |
Hollywood wrote:Posted By: GottaSki
Date Posted: January-12-2017 at 1:08pm
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My buds 351 didn't let go till over 3000 hours. Your seasons are short, you got another 20 years to go. Use it for leverage, then ski the sh!t out of it. ------------- "There is nothing, absolutely nothing, half so much worthwhile as messing around with boats...simply messing." River Rat to Mole |
Posted By: JimGo
Date Posted: January-12-2017 at 1:13pm
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The boat has the perfect pass, I will take a look at it. I will also verify the compression. Are there other places to inspect ? How to check the transmission? |
Posted By: Dreaming
Date Posted: January-12-2017 at 3:02pm
| I think the best gauge is to drive the boat. Don't get boat fever, go in with your eyes wide open. I replaced a motor this season for about $2500. While that's some cash for sure, if the boat is a good deal, I am not sure I would worry about high hours as much as condition. My boat has 300 hours on it, but poor maintenance and no winterization sure will kill the motor a lot faster than use with proper maintenance. Do the compression check, fell the acceleration, transmission vibration etc. if you can, take someone that has boating knowledge and nothing to gain either way, and weigh their opinion heavily in your decision. |
Posted By: M3Fan
Date Posted: January-12-2017 at 7:18pm
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Yeah, the motor is one of the things I'd be least worried about. Keep in mind a new trailer is going to be more than a motor if it's rusted out, for example, It's not like some outboard powerhead where the outboard is more expensive than the whole boat. It's a pretty basic and cost effective powerplant. As a seller I'd be pretty annoyed by a compression check unless the motor exhibited obvious problems in a water test. If someone drove my 2000 and then wanted a compression test afterward I'd think they would need their head examined. ------------- 2000 SN GT40 w/99 Graphics/Gel 2016 SN 200 OB 5.3L DI https://forum.fifteenoff.com |
Posted By: JPASS
Date Posted: January-12-2017 at 9:12pm
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Is this boat from a private seller or dealer? Any pics or a link to an ad? ------------- '92 Correctcraft Ski Nautique |
Posted By: JimGo
Date Posted: January-13-2017 at 12:18am
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The boat is sold by the dealer. They changed the board for the key (key less start I was told) and change few minor parts. Her is the add: http://www.lespac.com/st-alphonse-monteregie/vehicules-marins/2000-nautique-ski_41363568D0.jsa |
Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: January-13-2017 at 12:25am
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http://www.lespac.com/st-alphonse-monteregie/vehicules-marins/2000-nautique-ski_41363568D0.jsa" rel="nofollow - Link ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1711&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970" rel="nofollow - 69 Mustang HM SS 95 Nautique Super Sport |
Posted By: jbear
Date Posted: January-13-2017 at 12:38am
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thankyou Gary... john ------------- "Loud pipes save lives" AdamT sez "I'm Canadian and a beaver lover myself"... |
Posted By: quinner
Date Posted: January-13-2017 at 10:51am
Kind of feel what you are saying, had a guy do that to my bronco before purchasing however how many times have I read posts where there was no noticeable issue yet a compression test showed otherwise?? Your boat(s) are an extreme example as they are well cared for, in this case you have a high hour boat with questionable gauges, this thing could have 2 or 3 times what the hour meter reads. Btw, boat appears to be an open bow ski nautique ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1143" rel="nofollow - Mi Bowt |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: January-13-2017 at 12:56pm
And a compression test isn't going to tell you that. I'm with Joel. If someone wanted to pull the plugs on a normal looking and running boat I'd tell them to get lost. |
Posted By: JimGo
Date Posted: January-13-2017 at 1:20pm
| Then my question would be, Before doing a drive test, what are the parts I should inspect ? Lakes are frozen where I am. |
Posted By: Dreaming
Date Posted: January-13-2017 at 1:47pm
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Put a deposit on the boat if your interested, and complete the transaction once you can water test... no sense in getting stuck in a high hour boat that you can't drive. On the compression check, I would never refuse someone a trip to a certified mechanic for a pre-purchase inspection, and that could certainly be done without any open water. IMHO, a compression test is certainly valuable information on such a high hour boat, even if the boat has been maintained well. Doing the PP inspection would be pass fail for me though, not necessarily a negotiation point. |
Posted By: quinner
Date Posted: January-13-2017 at 2:13pm
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Asking $14,800 USD, that is a lot of money for a boat you hope does not need a rebuild?? Looks like the gauges have been changed out so whatever hours displayed is what has been put on since that gauge was installed unless the owner took the time to hook that gauge up to a power source and run the hours up to what they were on the old gauge (doubtful). Get a copy of the perfect pass manual from their site, you will need the instructions to find the hours on the PP display. The number of hours PP displays is only going to reflect from when it was installed, so if not factory/new original, won't tell the whole story. The Gelcoat looks very faded, boat is going to need some loving to get back it's shine. The people who do those snap covers like that should have their knee caps drilled. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1143" rel="nofollow - Mi Bowt |
Posted By: JimGo
Date Posted: January-13-2017 at 3:26pm
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What's wrong with the cover ? Thanks for the comments. |
Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: January-13-2017 at 3:54pm
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Just all the snaps drilled into the boat to mount the cover,just a lazy way to install rather than a draw string below the rubrail ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1711&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970" rel="nofollow - 69 Mustang HM SS 95 Nautique Super Sport |
Posted By: tryathlete
Date Posted: January-13-2017 at 9:41pm
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Absolutely. There is more than compression in terms of wear, but it is the leading indicator! If boat duty cycle were the same as an automobile traveling at 60, our engines would last 5000 hours or more....but we know that pulling skiers and footers is a little more like plowing snow than driving at 60. I'd sure pay a whole lot less for a boat with 1700 hours than one with a lot less, and I'm sure that's the case,, |
Posted By: tryathlete
Date Posted: January-14-2017 at 1:35am
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http://blog.aopa.org/opinionleaders/2014/04/09/how-do-piston-aircraft-engines-fail/" rel="nofollow - Interesting link about how engines fail Sure enough, not water-cooled boat engines, but the duty cycle can share a lot in common with our boat engines in terms of load. (Opinion) |
Posted By: SNobsessed
Date Posted: January-14-2017 at 11:05am
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Great article Peter! Sounds like our site has been on the right track by recommending using good oil & filters. An oil sample test can tell much about bearing health The hard part about this pre-purchase would be assuring an honest sample. ------------- “Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.” Ben Franklin |
Posted By: tryathlete
Date Posted: January-14-2017 at 11:13am
| If I remember correctly (it's been 38 years since my AP Powerplant classwork), oil analysis only really works if you can perform trend rather than a single point sample--and oil samples need to be taken at end of oil change interval that also has to be consistently performed. We did this for a major oil company when trying to extend oil change intervals in a pilot training environment using early generation synthetic oils which won over the FAA when hard data was presented. So long ago I didnt even have to shave every day. |
Posted By: tryathlete
Date Posted: January-14-2017 at 11:16am
| Beyond healthy could be a bad omen! |
Posted By: Silver15
Date Posted: January-14-2017 at 11:26am
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Jim, if I may be so bold, seems like quite a stiff price to me- particularly for a boat with those hours. I'd sell you my 2000 air/Sport with 400 hrs and full maintenance records for less than that..... ------------- 2000 Air/Sport 1978 T16 |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: January-14-2017 at 11:31am
Peter, I agree that marine and aircraft engines are similar with their load, Unlike automotive, they are under constant torque and HP loading. Consequently you really can't com[pare them to a car running down the road at 60 MPH. However, I don't feel 1700hrs on a marine is much to worry about. Yes, the hours are up there but if the engine has been maintained, there are plenty of hours left in it. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: Fl Inboards
Date Posted: January-14-2017 at 12:13pm
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1700 hours? How well was the boat stored? How was the boat used? Was it utilized as a general weekend watersports boat. was it utilized with lots of added weight for wake boarding? Is there a paper trail of service records? Unless there is significant information at 1700 hours it is a crap shoot. The Gt engine was last manufactured in 1997. Correct Craft utilized warehoused units until 2002. as of 2017 that makes the GT ford engine 20 years old and obsolete. replacement ECM's are NLA. the list just keeps on going as to why it becomes buyer beware unless the price is so good one cant pass it up! ------------- Hobby Boats can be expensive when the hobbyist is limited on their own skill and expertise. 1993 Shamrock "fat" 20. 2008 Nautique 196 5.0 |
Posted By: tryathlete
Date Posted: January-14-2017 at 12:21pm
| I'd take a 400 hour boat in "decent shape" any day over a 1700 hour boat in pristine condition. It's being sold by a dealer because the seller probably didn't get any bites and wholesaled it. Must say the pics look nice, interior looks new, but the price is about 1/3 or more too high in my opinion only. |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: January-14-2017 at 12:36pm
| Eh, engines are about the easiest and cheapest to replace . |
Posted By: tryathlete
Date Posted: January-14-2017 at 1:23pm
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Ask the dealer what it costs to replace an engine. Then deduct most of that from their asking price. |
Posted By: tryathlete
Date Posted: January-14-2017 at 5:48pm
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I dunno--GT40 plus velvet drive and Walters screw drive could add up. 1700'hoirs on the trans is another kettle of fish all by itself. DIY could be reasonable if you could find an old Ford pickup and reuse manifolds and Fuel Cell...Good reason to stick with a lower hour boat if you've got a choice. For $8k that boat would be interesting to someone--but I'd still take a pass for something a little less used up. |
Posted By: JimGo
Date Posted: January-14-2017 at 7:45pm
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Good article for engine failures. Thanks again for all the comments. I will ask more detail to the dealer and I will also do an inspection of the boat. Worst case, I'll confirm myself it was not the right boat. |
Posted By: Shep72
Date Posted: January-15-2017 at 11:21am
| Jim, we purchased a 94 Sport with 600 hrs this year. The boat was in good shape interior, trailer wise but I also knew I was purchasing a 22 year old boat and I was going to have to take care of a few things. We have spent about $2k since the purchase and I now know I have a solid ski boat that will last our family years to come. My personal suggestion is to buy a boat with at least a few thousand to spare on fixing the unknown in your budget. An acquaintance of mine purchased a 2000 air nautique with 400 hrs and dropped a valve this summer. Hours are a loose guideline on engine condition. With boats you roll the dice so be prepared. 1600 hrs would be outside my personal comfort zone. |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: January-15-2017 at 3:41pm
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Most of the inboards of my inner circle have 1,000 to 1,500 hours on them and none of us are anticipating upcoming failures. My car has 365,000 miles and it's running as good as when I bought it with 87,000. Low hour old boats and cars make me think of corrosion issues. Be proud of your hours [and miles]. Like GottaSki said, 1700 is only just past halfway there. Many of you are not skiiing the same boat you were even just 10 years ago let alone 20. If some of you used your boats more and had 1500 hrs. would you be looking to get rid of it? |
Posted By: emccallum
Date Posted: January-15-2017 at 10:52pm
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I bought my 95 snob with about 500 hours on it. It was in mint condition, and the owner was seemed very OCD about the boat. Since then I have put about 350 hours on it. It has always been well maintained with oil changes every 50 hours (VR1 oil). I have never run it hot, It does get a lot of slalom use. It developed a water leak on one of the heads several years ago.I got by with JB weld for a while. No oil consumption and always ran very consistent and strong. I pulled the motor this winter to replace the heads. When the engine builder checked the bottom end, he found a lot of wear to the cams and bottom end. . My point is, it may be running fine but at 1700 hours it is getting over the hill. It may serve you fine for years, or it may drop a valve this summer. You dont know. I would adjust my offer to include a couple of grand for engine issues. I noticed it looks like a cover for the radio is missing....I think I see a hinge next to the radio. If the over all condition is good and it is the boat you want then try and make a deal. But remember you are buying an old used boat. |
Posted By: JD ski
Date Posted: January-19-2017 at 2:57am
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Looking at the pricing $19,800 I am guessing Canadian? and I read the price was $14,800 US? That is $2200 less than I paid in Oct 2016 for my Air with 154 hr. and it appears as new with a beautiful tandem axle trailer. it was always garaged and maintained at a Nautique dealer. It also came with a boom, wake boards, custom bimini, and a mooring cover. Based on what I am seeing in those pictures, you are looking at about a $9000 boat in my opinion. look at some photos in my first post here for comparison. http://www.correctcraftfan.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=39974 ------------- JD ski, slicing, dicing, and shredding since 1981 1999 Air Nautique, GT40 Pro Boss, Trail Rite trailer 1975 Century Resorter |
Posted By: JimGo
Date Posted: January-19-2017 at 9:04am
| It's a very nice boat. |
Posted By: JimGo
Date Posted: January-19-2017 at 9:14am
| It looks like prices are higher in Canada for 9k USD there are Malibu Sportster closed bow (similar year and equipment). I saw few Malibu Response (close & open bow) for around 12500$ USD (again for similar years and equipment) |