Bent Strut
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Category: Repairs and Maintenance
Forum Name: Boat Maintenance
Forum Discription: Discuss maintenance of your Correct Craft
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Printed Date: May-24-2024 at 9:08am
Topic: Bent Strut
Posted By: Dan in CT
Subject: Bent Strut
Date Posted: July-09-2016 at 11:28pm
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Hey folks, 1981 ski nautique I removed my propeller shaft today, the new ARE is being shipped. Found my strut has a pretty good twist. Bearing worn on opposite sides front to back. I am going to look around for a pro to straighten but has anyone been sucessful in fixing a strut at home? I've got a big vice, the old shaft, and some heat...seems like this might be something that could be done. If someone has one laying around let me know. After the cost of the shaft, my wife is going to be less than thrilled about another $500 for a new strut ( if even available). Thanks, Dan |
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Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: July-09-2016 at 11:49pm
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Can you see the bend or is it measurable? Could it be that it wasn't mounted 90* to the bottom? ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1711&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970" rel="nofollow - 69 Mustang HM SS 95 Nautique Super Sport |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: July-10-2016 at 12:45am
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Dan, Gary has a very valid point regarding how the strut was mounted. Take a real close look at it before condemning the strut. If it is bent/twisted, give the straightening it yourself a try. I've known guys who have straightened them while they were still attached to the hull!! A big 48" pipe wrench and a cheater pipe! Not something I would recommend but it's been done. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: gun-driver
Date Posted: July-10-2016 at 12:52am
| Sounds like it could have been a misalignment problem |
Posted By: Dan in CT
Date Posted: July-10-2016 at 12:53am
| I can see the twist in the casting. It is clearly damaged. I hit a rock last year. I got the prop fixed but it was not quite right since. Seems to be getting worse, Probably the bearing wearing. Dan |
Posted By: MrMcD
Date Posted: July-10-2016 at 1:04am
| The old prop shaft could work as a 60 inch bar to bend your strut. Good Luck |
Posted By: Morfoot
Date Posted: July-10-2016 at 11:37am
Just my 2 cents.......... I never tried straightening the strut myself after a friend drove the 88' too close to shore and bent it, the prop and the shaft after trying to grind a stump with my prop.  years ago. I just bought a new pricey one and replaced it and the shaft and had the prop refurbished. ....... I bent the strut and prop on the 72 last summer and sent both struts to Delta Props. They were able to straighten both and installed a new cutless bearing ( at no cost as I pushed the old ones out). They didn't charge me much to do it and I was back on the water in the 72 in 2 weeks. That's why we all need 2 CC's....Ya gotta have a spare!------------- "Morfoot; He can ski. He can wakeboard.He can cook chicken.He can create his own self-named beverage, & can also apparently fly. A man of many talents."72 Mustang "Kermit",88 SN Miss Scarlett, 99 SN "Sherman" |
Posted By: SNobsessed
Date Posted: July-10-2016 at 2:17pm
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It takes a lot more force than you think to move the metal. Let the pro's do it. ------------- “Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.” Ben Franklin |
Posted By: baitkiller
Date Posted: July-10-2016 at 2:44pm
This: Leave it in place and twist it back. Its easier than many think. Because of my boating venue I have become quite proficient at the process. I use a 15" crescent wrench and cheater pipe. But if I had an old shaft it would be my first choice. Put a new bearing in it and twist it back until the shaft is perfectly centered. (cold). ------------- Jesus was a bare-footer............. |
MrMcD wrote:Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: July-10-2016 at 3:00pm
But: “Give me a lever long enough and a fulcrum on which to place it, and I shall move the world. ” ― Archimedes  ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: Dan in CT
Date Posted: July-10-2016 at 10:52pm
| My first choice is to get the pro to straighten the strut out. I'll report back whether successful or not to find "a guy". If not, I'll give it a try. Does the forum's senior engineer (Peter) recommend heat? I could get the whole casting to 500 in the oven. Otherwise its a torch. Not sure if it much matters, its a big chunk of metal! |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: July-10-2016 at 11:48pm
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Dan, No on the heat. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: Dan in CT
Date Posted: July-14-2016 at 8:46pm
| Dropped the strut off at Hale Propeller in Old Saybrook, CT. Based on what I saw on the shelf, I hope their equipment works on "1"! There were bent struts that I doubt I could lift! Will report back. Dan |
Posted By: seacamper
Date Posted: April-26-2017 at 10:49pm
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Sooooo. I hit some stumps and the strut is bent. I have the prop off and at Rob's shop, Can I get a jack from the trailer frame to the strut and apply pressure? If that does not work, can I ship the strut somewhere to have it straightened? I still don't know if the shaft is true or not. Tom ------------- 1980 Ski Nautique Boat Bar 1988 Mastercraft Tristar Open Bow 1988 Mastercraft Tristar Closed Bow 1969 Seacamper Houseboat 1986 Harris Pontoon 2004 Seadoo GTX SC + Flydive Xboard 1999 Adventurecraft |
Posted By: Orlando76
Date Posted: April-26-2017 at 11:08pm
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Isn't there a prop and strut place in Tampa that all the local shops send their stuff too? Maybe Admirals? ------------- Please support The Cystic Fibrosis Foundation 1976 Ski Nautique 351 Escort 1993 Ski Nautique purple and black 351 HO PCM |
Posted By: seacamper
Date Posted: April-27-2017 at 12:23am
I guess I can give them a try. ------------- 1980 Ski Nautique Boat Bar 1988 Mastercraft Tristar Open Bow 1988 Mastercraft Tristar Closed Bow 1969 Seacamper Houseboat 1986 Harris Pontoon 2004 Seadoo GTX SC + Flydive Xboard 1999 Adventurecraft |
Posted By: seacamper
Date Posted: April-27-2017 at 12:29am
I am inclined to try this first. So leave everything in place including the shaft, and just twist it back? Failing that, what is the cost to send the old one out for repairs vs. $350 new at Skidim? ------------- 1980 Ski Nautique Boat Bar 1988 Mastercraft Tristar Open Bow 1988 Mastercraft Tristar Closed Bow 1969 Seacamper Houseboat 1986 Harris Pontoon 2004 Seadoo GTX SC + Flydive Xboard 1999 Adventurecraft |
Posted By: Orlando76
Date Posted: April-27-2017 at 1:25am
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It seems to me I recall $75? Maybe that's for them to install new cutlass. Either way their prices seemed fair and the turn around time was quick enough even with shipping it was reasonable enough to ship it vs drive there. ------------- Please support The Cystic Fibrosis Foundation 1976 Ski Nautique 351 Escort 1993 Ski Nautique purple and black 351 HO PCM |
Posted By: seacamper
Date Posted: April-27-2017 at 5:49pm
Thanks Todd, I called them and they said it was a function of shop time and said anywhere from $85 to $120ish. They also had a pickup and delivery from my local marina (I think you went there to look at a boat in Winter Haven). I should have it back Tuesday with the bearings installed. ------------- 1980 Ski Nautique Boat Bar 1988 Mastercraft Tristar Open Bow 1988 Mastercraft Tristar Closed Bow 1969 Seacamper Houseboat 1986 Harris Pontoon 2004 Seadoo GTX SC + Flydive Xboard 1999 Adventurecraft |
Posted By: seacamper
Date Posted: April-27-2017 at 6:53pm
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I turned the shaft with a wrench and I can not see any problems. Although the prop strike bent the prop and the torque twisted the strut, it seems like the shaft survived. Do I have to remove the shaft to use a dial indicator? I will brush up on engine alignment, the prop lapping thread and I will keep the strut bearing wet when checking the new prop and strut, Anything else? ------------- 1980 Ski Nautique Boat Bar 1988 Mastercraft Tristar Open Bow 1988 Mastercraft Tristar Closed Bow 1969 Seacamper Houseboat 1986 Harris Pontoon 2004 Seadoo GTX SC + Flydive Xboard 1999 Adventurecraft |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: April-29-2017 at 4:01am
| Can you see .003" by eye? |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: April-29-2017 at 7:07am
Tom, Have you straightened the strut? For the shaft, use a dial indicator clamped to the strut and it can be done with the shaft in the boat. With a prop strike, the typical shaft bend is aft of the strut so check there first. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: seacamper
Date Posted: April-29-2017 at 11:49pm
Uh...............yes.................can't you? Oh. I forgot you did not get the Bionic Man treatment. ------------- 1980 Ski Nautique Boat Bar 1988 Mastercraft Tristar Open Bow 1988 Mastercraft Tristar Closed Bow 1969 Seacamper Houseboat 1986 Harris Pontoon 2004 Seadoo GTX SC + Flydive Xboard 1999 Adventurecraft |
Posted By: seacamper
Date Posted: April-30-2017 at 12:14am
Hey Pete. The strut comes back from Admiral on Tuesday with the new cutlass bearings pre installed. . My plan was to install the strut over the shaft and put on the new prop and go run it, but I can get a dial indicator from Harbor Freight. So clamping the dial indicator to the strut will work? I've never used one. Will this work? http://www.harborfreight.com/clamping-dial-indicator-93051.html" rel="nofollow - HF Dial Indicator ------------- 1980 Ski Nautique Boat Bar 1988 Mastercraft Tristar Open Bow 1988 Mastercraft Tristar Closed Bow 1969 Seacamper Houseboat 1986 Harris Pontoon 2004 Seadoo GTX SC + Flydive Xboard 1999 Adventurecraft |
Posted By: Frankenotter
Date Posted: April-30-2017 at 2:10am
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HF dial indicators will probably work for our applications. However, if you take a bit of time and check Craigslist, you can usually find a used Starrett for slightly more. They're useful for a ton of different projects. The difference between a proper US made and Chinese-ium is the Starrett doesn't get harder to depress as deflection increases. Not critical in our projects, but nice. I notice a difference between my Grizzly and Starrett ------------- 1999 Ski Nautique 196 |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: April-30-2017 at 7:08am
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Tom, Chris is correct regarding the quality of the HF but also that it will work. It will be interesting to find out the condition of your shaft. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: Frankenotter
Date Posted: April-30-2017 at 1:39pm
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Tom make sure to check runout just in front of the strut, just behind the strut, and on the actual taper where the prop attaches. These were the spots I noticed the most runout on the 2 shafts I tested. The promo shaft was straight as an arrow the entire length until the taper. Then it was waaaaaaaay out. Give me a call if you need help. Chris ------------- 1999 Ski Nautique 196 |
Posted By: Frankenotter
Date Posted: April-30-2017 at 1:41pm
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Also rotate the shaft from the transmission and not the prop. If you have ANY play in your cutlass it will skew your results when you add pressure to the prop. ------------- 1999 Ski Nautique 196 |
Posted By: seacamper
Date Posted: April-30-2017 at 1:55pm
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OK, I will check it Tuesday and let you guys know. If worse comes to worse, I guess I will get an ARE shaft. ------------- 1980 Ski Nautique Boat Bar 1988 Mastercraft Tristar Open Bow 1988 Mastercraft Tristar Closed Bow 1969 Seacamper Houseboat 1986 Harris Pontoon 2004 Seadoo GTX SC + Flydive Xboard 1999 Adventurecraft |
Posted By: MrMcD
Date Posted: April-30-2017 at 5:14pm
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On my boat the trailer has a brace directly under my prop shaft. It worked well to mount a magnetic mount dial indicator and check my shaft run out. ------------- |
Posted By: seacamper
Date Posted: May-02-2017 at 1:41pm
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Well, I have to update you all with my current anger level. So I call Admiral last Thursday, and they say to drop the strut at my local boat place, Marine Supply, in Winter Haven. Admiral was going to pick up Friday, and deliver today-Tuesday. Of course I go to pick it up today, and was told that somehow they missed it for drop off Friday. and that it was sent this morning. So I really need the strut for my work timeing purposes. I call Admiral, and they say they can't talk to me because Marine Supply is their customer. So now we get into the deal where Marine Supply gets to upcharge me for their goof up. We get into the middle man territory that is pretty frustrating. So I call Marine Supply, and no one can take my call with any authority to make a decision. So now I am waiting for a call back. I am at a George Costanza rageaholics level. http://s266.photobucket.com/user/turninggrey/media/4b3404cd7f86db5298f63245dec36b7ace910cb4d7b618e0fbb506f2fed2b24c_1.gif.html" rel="nofollow">  ------------- 1980 Ski Nautique Boat Bar 1988 Mastercraft Tristar Open Bow 1988 Mastercraft Tristar Closed Bow 1969 Seacamper Houseboat 1986 Harris Pontoon 2004 Seadoo GTX SC + Flydive Xboard 1999 Adventurecraft |
Posted By: seacamper
Date Posted: May-02-2017 at 2:46pm
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So the update is that apparently Marine Supply in Winter Haven Florida simply wants to say "we goofed" and not make any adjustments for being the "drop box" for parts machining. Admiral has agreed to work with me directly, so that is fine by me. ------------- 1980 Ski Nautique Boat Bar 1988 Mastercraft Tristar Open Bow 1988 Mastercraft Tristar Closed Bow 1969 Seacamper Houseboat 1986 Harris Pontoon 2004 Seadoo GTX SC + Flydive Xboard 1999 Adventurecraft |
Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: May-02-2017 at 4:56pm
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Basically lesson learned then? You were paying Marine supply their cut for them to handle your shipping,they dropped the ball. Next time shipping it direct would be cheaper than their cut but not any faster. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1711&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970" rel="nofollow - 69 Mustang HM SS 95 Nautique Super Sport |
Posted By: seacamper
Date Posted: May-02-2017 at 7:41pm
Yeah, absolutely. I called Admiral, and they recommended the drop off, so I just did it. Man, I don't even want to get into what transpired after my last post. Lets just say I am not doing business with the local marine supply store. ------------- 1980 Ski Nautique Boat Bar 1988 Mastercraft Tristar Open Bow 1988 Mastercraft Tristar Closed Bow 1969 Seacamper Houseboat 1986 Harris Pontoon 2004 Seadoo GTX SC + Flydive Xboard 1999 Adventurecraft |
Posted By: backfoot100
Date Posted: May-03-2017 at 6:26am
Tom, Tom, Tom...... I was gonna be a nice guy and not throw you under the bus but I just can't resist now. In all fairness, I stumbled into this post a little late and I texted you about taking it to Admiral after you'd already taken it to Marine Supply. My bad on that one. I've been to Admiral several times for myself and JBear. They've done prop work and straightened out struts. By far, probably the highest quality work from any prop place I've personally ever used. Can't say enough good things about them. But I digress. Now, I applaud you for being the considerate fellow you are and you always want to help stimulate the local economy. This is so inspiring to each and every one of us. But......... Yes, here comes the but......... BUTT (as in BUTTHEAD)....I drive right past your place twice a day to and from work....to Tampa....where Admiral just happens to be. Pickup and delivery right to your doorstep. And it would've been a lot faster. Most every time I've taken anything to them, it's been a couple days at most. I figure it's easily the least I can do for you letting us use your dock all the time. No worries....no headaches.....no problems. A phone call is all it would've taken. I also have a dial indicator you're welcome to use too......with a magnetic base. That'll keep Pete off your ass anyway.....LOL  ------------- When people run down to the lake to see what's making that noise, you've succeeded. Eddie |
Posted By: seacamper
Date Posted: May-03-2017 at 10:58am
Thanks Eddie Hey, do you want to check with me today? They should have it done and they have my cc number. Admiral as really great to work with one on one. I don't blame them at all on this. I guess MS has too much business here in Winter Haven--even for repeat customers like me. MS acted like they were doing me a favor, and that I was an ass for not liking that they failed at simply being a drop box. The attitude was the problem. I suggested that they drop their profit since they failed in their primary duty of simply handing the strut to the delivery guy, and then I was really treated like an ass. I brought them lots of team business, and maybe they were having a bad day, but yikes. I could go on, but all is well now. Tom ------------- 1980 Ski Nautique Boat Bar 1988 Mastercraft Tristar Open Bow 1988 Mastercraft Tristar Closed Bow 1969 Seacamper Houseboat 1986 Harris Pontoon 2004 Seadoo GTX SC + Flydive Xboard 1999 Adventurecraft |
Posted By: seacamper
Date Posted: May-04-2017 at 10:51pm
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Well, the strut came back and looks pretty good. It is installed and the shaft is throwing .019 at the taper and .010 at the middle of the shaft between the strut and the boat log. It is turning very nicely with soapy water lube, but I guess I need to break down and get an ARE shaft from Skidim. Anyone know of a better deal? Tom ------------- 1980 Ski Nautique Boat Bar 1988 Mastercraft Tristar Open Bow 1988 Mastercraft Tristar Closed Bow 1969 Seacamper Houseboat 1986 Harris Pontoon 2004 Seadoo GTX SC + Flydive Xboard 1999 Adventurecraft |
Posted By: seacamper
Date Posted: May-05-2017 at 2:51pm
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Sigh. The comedy of errors continue. In my exuberance to get the measurements for the new shaft, I went back to old habits of simply cutting the old shaft out. I jumpsed in, cut the shaft, slid it out the back, unbolted the coupler to find............it was a double tapered ARE shaft! If I was not an idiot, I could have removed it and had the shaft straightened!! Anyhoo, the new shaft is on order and should be in next Friday. ------------- 1980 Ski Nautique Boat Bar 1988 Mastercraft Tristar Open Bow 1988 Mastercraft Tristar Closed Bow 1969 Seacamper Houseboat 1986 Harris Pontoon 2004 Seadoo GTX SC + Flydive Xboard 1999 Adventurecraft |
Posted By: quinner
Date Posted: May-05-2017 at 4:18pm
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Can't you just gorilla glue it?? ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1143" rel="nofollow - Mi Bowt |
Posted By: seacamper
Date Posted: May-05-2017 at 4:52pm
Well, I tried JB Weld and duct tape, but then I could only get it back to .018 before it snapped. ------------- 1980 Ski Nautique Boat Bar 1988 Mastercraft Tristar Open Bow 1988 Mastercraft Tristar Closed Bow 1969 Seacamper Houseboat 1986 Harris Pontoon 2004 Seadoo GTX SC + Flydive Xboard 1999 Adventurecraft |
Posted By: flyweed
Date Posted: May-05-2017 at 6:22pm
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I use zip ties and popsicle sticks...works great for easy aligning! LOL ------------- '93 Ski Nautique NWZ, Air Boom Tower Drink Tonight..for tomorrow We Ride! |
Posted By: seacamper
Date Posted: May-15-2017 at 3:48pm
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The ARE shaft is in and the engine mounts are lubed up ready for alignment. I forget what I used last time to shove the engine around. Any suggestions? ------------- 1980 Ski Nautique Boat Bar 1988 Mastercraft Tristar Open Bow 1988 Mastercraft Tristar Closed Bow 1969 Seacamper Houseboat 1986 Harris Pontoon 2004 Seadoo GTX SC + Flydive Xboard 1999 Adventurecraft |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: May-15-2017 at 5:22pm
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Tom, A crow bar and a block of wood has always worked for me. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: seacamper
Date Posted: May-15-2017 at 8:08pm
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OK, I reread this thread and got the shaft at .003. http://www.correctcraftfan.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6037&KW=alignment&PID=58701&title=span-classhighlightalignment-span#58701" rel="nofollow - Alignment I used a block of wood and a crow bar like Pete said. I blasted the engine mounts with PB Blaster and a wire brush, and they all moved pretty well. I re did the packing in the shaft bushing and I had to shim the strut just slightly to get the shaft centered in the log. Since I am in there, I am going to repack the rudder bushing, lap the prop on and give it a twirl. ------------- 1980 Ski Nautique Boat Bar 1988 Mastercraft Tristar Open Bow 1988 Mastercraft Tristar Closed Bow 1969 Seacamper Houseboat 1986 Harris Pontoon 2004 Seadoo GTX SC + Flydive Xboard 1999 Adventurecraft |
Posted By: sport1999
Date Posted: May-15-2017 at 9:45pm
| Good job on your efforts.. I'll tell you, it's a whole lot easier reading a thread than being the one doing the work. Seems like you've been busy. Hope it all works out. |
Posted By: seacamper
Date Posted: May-18-2017 at 12:21am
Yep, the rudder is back in (Did you know Mastercraft does not use packing in the rudder box? O rings and grease keep the water out.) and I am ready to put it in the water tomorrow to check it before I put the upholstery back in. and the prop spins with one finger. Does anyone use locktight on the coupler bolts? ------------- 1980 Ski Nautique Boat Bar 1988 Mastercraft Tristar Open Bow 1988 Mastercraft Tristar Closed Bow 1969 Seacamper Houseboat 1986 Harris Pontoon 2004 Seadoo GTX SC + Flydive Xboard 1999 Adventurecraft |
Posted By: jbear
Date Posted: May-18-2017 at 12:31am
on lake Carlin? john ------------- "Loud pipes save lives" AdamT sez "I'm Canadian and a beaver lover myself"... |
Posted By: MrMcD
Date Posted: May-18-2017 at 4:29am
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I've never used loc tite on the coupler bolts, 3 direct drive boats and about 2,000 hours and none have come loose so far. ------------- |
Posted By: seacamper
Date Posted: May-18-2017 at 6:00pm
No, Over on Lake Silver. If I had just stayed on Lake Carlin, all would have been well. BUT, I do need help moving my boat lift on Lake Carlin. The water is dropping so fast I am beginning to think someone might have pulled the cork out of the bottom of the lake. ------------- 1980 Ski Nautique Boat Bar 1988 Mastercraft Tristar Open Bow 1988 Mastercraft Tristar Closed Bow 1969 Seacamper Houseboat 1986 Harris Pontoon 2004 Seadoo GTX SC + Flydive Xboard 1999 Adventurecraft |
Posted By: seacamper
Date Posted: May-18-2017 at 6:08pm
Sounds good! I test ran it today and it ran great. Not that I am glad it happened, but when I bought the boat I did feel some vibration and knew I needed to go through the system, but it is so easy to just turn the key and ski and ignore the indicators that you need to pull apart an unfamiliar boat. Now that it is done, the vibration is gone and I am glad I am not putting a strain on the transmission with a misaligned shaft/log/strut combo. I have it back in the garage to finish up a few gizmos and to put the flooring back in. Thanks CCFAN for having such great advisers all in one place. ------------- 1980 Ski Nautique Boat Bar 1988 Mastercraft Tristar Open Bow 1988 Mastercraft Tristar Closed Bow 1969 Seacamper Houseboat 1986 Harris Pontoon 2004 Seadoo GTX SC + Flydive Xboard 1999 Adventurecraft |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: May-18-2017 at 7:06pm
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Tom, Glad you got the boat back in shape. Happy boating and do watch out for those stumps! ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |