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Topic: Greetings!
Posted By: Oletela
Subject: Greetings!
Date Posted: March-12-2012 at 3:40am
First post here mainly because I picked up my first boat yesterday. 89' 2001! She is going to need a little bit of love but I couldn't not buy for what I paid, I worked on her all weekend and got to take her out for a cruise this afternoon. I rebuilt the Holley carb but am having a problem keeping it running at idle. So far the lowest I have been able to get the idle to go is 1100 without dying, I would greatly apreciate any tips yall may have. I am going to change the oil and tranny fluid this week, what would you guys recommend that I use for oil/ filter and tranny fluid?  
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Posted By: Kristof
Date Posted: March-12-2012 at 7:23am
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Welcome to CCfan! The 89 is a great boat, I love mine! As for oil, I use Valvoline VR1. There are some threads to find here with the search funtion. I order my oil filter from Skidim. Just stay away from Fram filters... ------------- - Gun control means: using BOTH hands! - Money doesn't make one happy, but when it rains cats and dogs, it's still better to cry in a Porsche than on a bicycle... |
Posted By: OverMyHead
Date Posted: March-12-2012 at 7:31am
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High Zinc, or zddp(? i think) is the the important factor for the cams in that vintage. I use ZR1 20w 50. ------------- For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats. 1987 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: Jllogan
Date Posted: March-12-2012 at 12:14pm
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AMSoil makes several high zddp oils. Also the shell rotella triple T has enough as well as the valvoline VR1. Either 15W-40 or 20w-50 will work fine depending on whats available. They used to have the valvoline at autozone. I use a wix 51515 as it is readily available at most auto stores advanced, oriellys etc. I believe a napa gold is the same filter. How does it run on the top end? Do you feel you are getting enough fuel? Does it accelerate properly? I would guess you have fiddled with the idle adjustment screws on the carb bowl? Where is the timing set? ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5792&sort=&pagenum=1" rel="nofollow - 1986 Ski Nautique 2001 |
Posted By: anthonylizardi
Date Posted: March-12-2012 at 12:41pm
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Jake, Welcome to the forum. I guess we will be seeing each other this summer. I go to Lake Lewisville. I live in the Grapevine area. I already noticed to improvement I did two my boat speedometer and tach. Well, my tach was really faded, I made a decal that you can place on it although yours is not as bad. Also, I replace my speedometer with chemistry watch glass. They look great. The cool thing is that I still have a few lest. I can make a set for you if you want to. Also, I have an extra set of tach decals, let me know if you want one. Send me a PM if you want my number. Welcome aboard! BTW, I have an 87 similar to yours. I will try to post a picture later to this thread. -Tony |
Posted By: anthonylizardi
Date Posted: March-12-2012 at 1:15pm
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FYI, This is my boat in case you see me at the lake. 
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Posted By: nautique frk
Date Posted: March-12-2012 at 2:45pm
| Welcome to the Site !! |
Posted By: skutsch
Date Posted: March-12-2012 at 2:49pm
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Great Boat, tons of fun in store. I love the oil discussion, and if you search there will be lots of threads and opinions. Tons of information to wade through on other sites too, it has been and continues to be a "fun" research project for me. I recently switched to Brad Penn Racing oils. ------------- Our http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4669" rel="nofollow - 98 Sport Nautique My Dad's 63 Ski N |
Posted By: anthonylizardi
Date Posted: March-12-2012 at 2:55pm
| I have a friend that uses Brad Penn in his Porsche 911. He highly recommended. What is your experience so far? How is the oil preassure? That's the only thing about using 20W50 VR1, the preassure is high. Most people says is ok. So far, so good with me. Just wondering. |
Posted By: skutsch
Date Posted: March-12-2012 at 5:50pm
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I used it all last summer in my GT40 powered Sport. The 63 ski didn't make it out on the water due to a bad strut bearing - that's a whole other issue. In the Sport, ran great, didn't look any different then other years coming out. I also did not notice any difference in oil pressure. Usually I get the oil analyzed, but that also fell of the plate this year... So not complaints. ------------- Our http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4669" rel="nofollow - 98 Sport Nautique My Dad's 63 Ski N |
Posted By: SNobsessed
Date Posted: March-12-2012 at 11:47pm
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High idle - vacuum leak? ------------- “Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.” Ben Franklin |
Posted By: dwcar
Date Posted: March-13-2012 at 1:05am
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Welcome Jake. Great to have another member from Texas!! ------------- 83Ski |
Posted By: Oletela
Date Posted: March-13-2012 at 3:31am
Thanks guys! I love her already, matter of fact I got out on my buddies brand new 2012 230 today and looking at it I was like yeah my little 89 may fit in the back of your boat but I can do everything you can do and you could have bought 45 of my boat for the price of yours  I spoke with the mechanic at the Nautique dealership today and his advise was to use a straight 40 for the oil of 5 quarts and 2 quarts of atf fluid in the transmission. The top end and acceleration felt pretty normal to me yesterday, I am not sure what the timing is sitting at right now but at some point this week one of the mechanics we have at work is going to check it out with me and see if the carb needs adjusting and show me how to check the timing and set it as I am new to messing with a carb and timing. Great learning project as we go! Hopefully this coming weekend will be one spent on the water with no issues! |
Posted By: Kristof
Date Posted: March-13-2012 at 7:34am
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BTW, that dashboard need a "performance engineered for" plaque... Marty, help this man out will you  ------------- - Gun control means: using BOTH hands! - Money doesn't make one happy, but when it rains cats and dogs, it's still better to cry in a Porsche than on a bicycle... |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: March-13-2012 at 9:20am
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Oetela, dont worry after about 10 payments he will be thinking that too, welcome ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: rcthorpe
Date Posted: March-13-2012 at 11:20am
| skutsch- Are you running 20w50 in your '08? It sounds like the same engine in mine that calls for 40 weight. |
Posted By: kapla
Date Posted: March-13-2012 at 12:20pm
+ 1 Try squrting wd40 at the carb base, if rpm raises then you are sucking air somewhere... ------------- <a href="">1992 ski nautique |
SNobsessed wrote:Posted By: skutsch
Date Posted: March-13-2012 at 12:23pm
Sorry, I should have been more clear, its Brad Penn Racing straight 40W (per the manufacturers recommendation) and its actually a 98 Sport. To be more specific the engine is a ProBoss GT40 EFI PCM 5.8HO (Ford). ------------- Our http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4669" rel="nofollow - 98 Sport Nautique My Dad's 63 Ski N |
Posted By: rcthorpe
Date Posted: March-13-2012 at 12:25pm
| Same motor I'm running in my '97. I had heard some were running VR-1 20w50 on our setup and was looking for feedback. |
Posted By: skutsch
Date Posted: March-13-2012 at 12:33pm
A lot of folks do run the 20W50, usually the Rotella. The VR-1 also has adequate ZDDP (both over 1200 PPM, most consider that the minimum for flat tappet motors). I figure the 40W is what the manual says, 40W is what I will run, probably my German heritage leaking through again...  ------------- Our http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4669" rel="nofollow - 98 Sport Nautique My Dad's 63 Ski N |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: March-13-2012 at 12:41pm
Steve, youre close! Rotella doesnt come in 20w50 (it comes in 15w40 last time I checked). I think the majority here are using the VR1 because of the higher ZDDP content. Rotella has a bit less. My fallback option is the VR1, I have been trying to get the 5qt jugs of 15w50 Mobil1 when its available. I would not put a lot of stock in the original oil recommendations. A lot has changed in the last 15 years. Not only are there very few oils with appropriate ZDDP levels for out flat tappet cams, but multiweight oils are also much better now than they were just a few years ago. They offer better cold start up lubrication than the straight weights. ------------- |
Posted By: rcthorpe
Date Posted: March-13-2012 at 12:41pm
| Thanks. Love the colors on your '98. Hope to get my pics of my '97 up soon. I picked it up from Northern Wisconsin over the winter. |
Posted By: anthonylizardi
Date Posted: March-13-2012 at 12:41pm
| Use 40. The reason I'm using the 20w-50 is because VR1 usually can only be found in 10w-30 or 20w-50.You only need these zddp oils when you have a flat engin. e. New engines dont need that. If I had a 98 I would rather use Mobil 1 syn. Cheaper and a great oil. |
Posted By: rcthorpe
Date Posted: March-13-2012 at 12:46pm
| I put VR-1 20w50 in this year ('97 351 EFI GT40). It sounds to me like this should be fine, probabaly switch to straight 40 for 2013/change for 2012? |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: March-13-2012 at 12:48pm
The Fords were flat tappet all the way to the very end in 2002. Mobil1 is great, but make sure the grade youre using has the high zinc and phos levels if you have a flat tappet cam. The 15w50 falls into this category. The 20w50 VR1 is a great choice. There is no reason to use a straight weight oil over it, IMHO. ------------- |
Posted By: anthonylizardi
Date Posted: March-13-2012 at 12:55pm
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No idea about the Ford. Let me rephrase then,if I had 98 with a non-flat-tapped engine I would use Mobil 1.  You learn every day around here.As far as I know. The people using Rottela they only recommend straight weight 40. I read the multi grade doesn't have enough Zddp. Thats another debate. To add to your confusion, You can use favorite oil. Just add zddp. This stuff is sold separate. I don't do it because is more expensive and I have to find it. VR1 had the goods and works well for me. |
Posted By: skutsch
Date Posted: March-13-2012 at 12:56pm
Dang it Tim, you are ABSOLUTELY CORRECT!!! Rotella is 15w40, last time I checked it did have over 1200 PPM ZDDP. As you indicated VR-1 also meets that minimimum, before I switched to Brad Penn, I was running VR-1 Racing 40W (Brad Penn is about half the price), the cold start argument is valid for the multiweight oils, but "Zie manual, zie sayz 40 VEIGHT, Vee use 40Veight!!!" If I don't my grandfather will probably rise from the grave and slap me up the side of the head  Thanks for the clarification on the Flat Tappet Fords, I was going back to double check to make sure so I didn't put another false one out there! HA! ------------- Our http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4669" rel="nofollow - 98 Sport Nautique My Dad's 63 Ski N |
Posted By: rcthorpe
Date Posted: March-13-2012 at 1:03pm
| Same way, was prepared to dump out 5 quarts of 20w50 VR-1 with roughly 20 minutes of use. Probably going to have one eye on the oil pressure gauge all summer long... |
Posted By: anthonylizardi
Date Posted: March-13-2012 at 1:04pm
By 40 I meant multi grade. There is no reason not to. |
Posted By: Jllogan
Date Posted: March-13-2012 at 1:07pm
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Der Teufel steckt im Detail ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5792&sort=&pagenum=1" rel="nofollow - 1986 Ski Nautique 2001 |
Posted By: skutsch
Date Posted: March-13-2012 at 1:13pm
Sie scherz sind nicht! ------------- Our http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4669" rel="nofollow - 98 Sport Nautique My Dad's 63 Ski N |
Posted By: rcthorpe
Date Posted: March-13-2012 at 1:16pm
| Watch out, now on page 2. Keith's gonna shut us down with another oil thread! |
Posted By: The Lake
Date Posted: March-13-2012 at 1:17pm
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Welcome Ole! You have a great boat! Good luck on the Carb. And may all your oil be full and zinc-fully slick! ------------- Walk on Water www.coldwater.me http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=775&sort=&pagenum=3&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970 - 69 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: Jllogan
Date Posted: March-13-2012 at 1:21pm
gut, du kanst duetsch sprechen!! Jetzt konnen wir privat sprache. ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5792&sort=&pagenum=1" rel="nofollow - 1986 Ski Nautique 2001 |
Posted By: skutsch
Date Posted: March-13-2012 at 1:24pm
LOL! That is hilarious, so far it's been pretty calm, all fact based (except for my miscue's) and opinions have been limited, so we should be safe... Having said that, I think all contributors to the oil discussion have all reached their appropriate and correct conclusions, so we can get back to other questions for Oletela's new (to him) Ski Nautique! ------------- Our http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4669" rel="nofollow - 98 Sport Nautique My Dad's 63 Ski N |
Posted By: skutsch
Date Posted: March-13-2012 at 1:31pm
Ja, ein bisschen Deutsch sprechen, es ist schwer zu merken ist. Nicht ganz so privat, einige unserer freunde in Europa verstehen ------------- Our http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4669" rel="nofollow - 98 Sport Nautique My Dad's 63 Ski N |
Posted By: anthonylizardi
Date Posted: March-13-2012 at 1:39pm
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Jake, Do you know these guys? The are the ones that installed my tower. 
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Posted By: MattB
Date Posted: March-13-2012 at 1:53pm
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Since the post went all European: Nid yw pob iaith yn Ewrop mor hawdd i'w ddeall, ond yn ffodus google gall helpu Now then... Not wanting to add anything to the oil debate but I did find this on my search in the UK for some oil at a reasonable price with zddp after I had read far to many posts on here about what to use... http://www.cvpg.net/wp-content/uploads/RoleofZDDPinTraditionalEngineOils.pdf" rel="nofollow - http://www.cvpg.net/wp-content/uploads/RoleofZDDPinTraditionalEngineOils.pdf ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=6102" rel="nofollow - 2001 http://uksn2001.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow - SN2001 Blog |
Posted By: Jllogan
Date Posted: March-13-2012 at 1:55pm
Ja du bist richtig. Mein deutsch ist ok. Meine Frau Oma und Opa Leben in Bayern. Wir Werden im mai besuchen. Jetzt zuruck zu boote! ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5792&sort=&pagenum=1" rel="nofollow - 1986 Ski Nautique 2001 |
Posted By: skutsch
Date Posted: March-13-2012 at 3:10pm
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Alright Matt you got us on that one, Gaelic? Possibly something from the Nordic countries (Swedish, Finnish, Norweigan)??? ------------- Our http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4669" rel="nofollow - 98 Sport Nautique My Dad's 63 Ski N |
Posted By: Oletela
Date Posted: March-13-2012 at 3:24pm
| That's me on the left and Joes son Scott on the right |
Posted By: anthonylizardi
Date Posted: March-13-2012 at 3:27pm
| LOL! Small world. You installed my tower. I got your PM I will call you soon to hook you up with new glass beazels and tach decal. |
Posted By: MattB
Date Posted: March-13-2012 at 3:31pm
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LOL, nope its Welsh "The google machine" seems to make a good translation so I went with it, you were close(ish) with Gaelic http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welsh_language" rel="nofollow - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welsh_language One of the great things about being in the UK is that we just make up what we want to be depending on where you are born..Irish, Scottish, Welsh, English or Cornish...Not sure any of us will ever be European though. I love the Google machine Oh and I didn't even know about the Breton language!!! that's something else to keep me busy tomorrow Ooops sorry HIjack over  ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=6102" rel="nofollow - 2001 http://uksn2001.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow - SN2001 Blog |
Posted By: Oletela
Date Posted: March-14-2012 at 1:55am
| Well I managed to make some progress this evening on my carb. Adjusting the choke to be just right at closed then helped me get my idle down to where I want it to be via the idle screw. The screws on the sides of the front bowl are a turn and a half from the seated position. Does this sound like it is about on the right track? I ran it in the driveway for a while with no issues. Changed the transmission fluid out as well. Lake test maybe tomorrow but definitely Thursday. Still going to have my timing checked out by one of the mechanics at work and show me how to adjust it etc. |
Posted By: anthonylizardi
Date Posted: March-19-2012 at 1:26am
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Jack, This is my dials with new glass and tachometer decal. Let me know if you want to do this. 
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