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JoeinNY
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I have no problem agreeing to disagree with a Crazy person .
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Riley
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Tim, Might be easier just to put a couple of fat sacks in the rear. The Sportster will hit 51 with a full tank and 3 people in the back seat.
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TRBenj
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I guess we'll have to agree to disagree, Joe. At least youre breaking 50, though- Ive still got several mph to go before Im there, and I doubt another 50hp would do it. Ive gotta get the nose up, just a little. Rest assured that Ive talked to a few people with experience in this sort of thing (on newer Nautiques specifically), and Im confident I wont do any harm. Its not like Ill be breaking out the angle grinder... at least not yet. As far as the yellow/red Skier goes, we plan to ski the hell out of it this year. We'll be able to keep it here in MA, where I would never want to do that with my '90. A 16' boat and a single axle trailer is just what this area calls for. The green boat will do some pulling as well, but probably not nearly as much as Nick's. |
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JoeinNY
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I am in your shoes, I have a 402hp boat that only hits about 51 but, I ain't about to touch the gelcoat on the bottom. Tear apart a perfectly good engine to replace the cam and gasket match the intake manifold to the heads sure, pay way to much for some custom fit hi teks of course, put in a new fuel system definitely, and throw on some nitrous why not, I would do that, but I wouldn't touch the gelcoat or hull shape. Now on the mustang or in your case skier.. different story those are riding boats at this point, not skiing boats. |
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TRBenj
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Reid said the same thing, but you know for a fact that you both would be doing the same thing if you were in my shoes! Ive been told that I would see a nice improvement by removing just 1/32" to 1/16" of gel at the trailing edge, so Ill take a straight edge to it and start slowly with the sandpaper. I dont want to go all the way through, so wetsanding and buffing it back to a shine wont be a problem. |
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JoeinNY
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I still think your crazy to touch that gelcoat. Crazy, go molest your skier, ski behind your nautique.
I mean I am crazy, but not that crazy. |
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TRBenj
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I dont anticipate any real changes to the wake or handling, but we'll find out once its done. I would just like the hull to run at the same attitude as an average 90-96 Ski Nautique. Mine runs noticeably nose-low (Keith mentioned the same thing), which absolutely kills the top end. Taking some of the hook out of the last few feet should help that.
JR_VIC was running 52+ with similar mods as me (minus the cam and dual exhaust, actually). Right now I have a very average top end speed for a stock HO boat. With an extra 50+ hp on tap, something doesnt add up! Im hoping that its nothing a little sand paper wont fix. I figure I can always add a little hook back in if I need to. |
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JoeinNY
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While out screwing around in the mustang a few years back I hadn't noticed that my friend in the back seat had stood up and was going to lean forward over the engine cover to comment on the last takeoff he was pretty seriously bruised from where he caught the llfting eye in the middle of his back as he bounced off the deck before ending up in the water, nobody slapped me upside the head but they should of... Speed kills but holeshot will bruise you up pretty good.
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Riley
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What will sanding/grinding do to the wake/handling characteristics? You ought to offer to do it to Keith's boat first.
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TRBenj
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Im hoping that some sanding/grinding will have my '90 seeing 49-50 this summer. Holeshot is what it does best now- the only one who stood a chance at GL was Boat Dr, and he was afraid to line up with me. I even put a boatlength on Reid's rocket up to 25-30. The only problem with knocking people out of the observer's seat is that they usually spill their beer. One friend screamed like a little girl when he fell into the back seat, and Ive been smacked upside the head for pulling that stunt (thanks Dad). |
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Riley
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The Sportster is pretty good on top end, but its bow digs in above 45 so it tops out about 49. Hole shot is what it does best. It'll knock you out of the observer's seat if you're not paying attention.
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TRBenj
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Bruce, I only line up against real ski boats Im kidding of course. The lighter/faster hull of your Sportster isnt one Im eager to tangle with just yet. My hull runs pretty planted (read: slow), so while Im not scared of anything when it comes to holeshot, Id lose the top end battle for sure. Let me see if I can fix that problem this spring before I get back to you. |
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Riley
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Darn Tim, I was really hoping I was going to see that boat of yours on Sebago and test your theory. |
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reidp
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What HW actually meant to say was, after so many years of not having any real competition in the inboard ski boat engine business, they decided in 03 to direct more attention to the Mustang vs Camaro deal. And what did GM do immediatly after catching wind about the pending and obviously superior 03 Cobra, they quit making Camaros! So look for Ford to quit building Mustangs soon also, since there's no comp there either. Not. Also, HW might have meant to say that Ford quit while they were ahead. Actually, I think Bruce (Riley) above said it best. |
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Riley
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It ended when Ford came out with their new line of trucks in 1997 which had all new engines. I don't know why they didn't keep building 5.8's for marine use other than maybe the market for them was mostly ski boats and was too small.
GM stopped building the 5.7 for their trucks, I think in 2001, but still builds them for marine use because they have a huge market for whatever reason. |
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Hollywood
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So basically Ford threw in the towel?
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TRBenj
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The story Ive heard is that Ford stopped building Windsor blocks sometime in the mid 90's and discontinued their marine program. PCM bought up a bunch of 351w longblocks and continued to offer the GT40 through '02.
And no Eric, it wasnt because the Chevies are better/stronger/faster. Ive lined up against '02-03 196's of both flavors (310hp GT40 and 330hp Excalibur) and the Ford is the stronger engine. |
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75 Tique
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My understanding is ford got out of the marinized engine busines in the early 90s, 92 or 93 was the last year, I believe. Obviously a business decision. Others much more familiar (Tim??) can jump in and correct and clarify my statements.
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Can some tell me why did PCM turned from ford to chevy engines? Sebastian
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