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    Posted: October-28-2016 at 10:11am
Should run good on 87 octane!
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Relatively warm. I bucket ran it up to temp in the driveway, changed the oil, and then did the test.
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Was the engine cold or warm
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Just did my first ever compression check on the 176 while putting her away for the season. I was sh!?ing bricks wondering about the outcome for an engine that has 1150 hours, but here are the results.
Cylinder:
1. 115
2. 125
3. 125
4. 120
5. 115
6. 120
7. 125
8. 120

That seems pretty healthy to me.
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The 470 is a large prop. Look how it towers over a 654.


So not only is there a large rake, there is also a lot of blade in front of the hub too. Being a 3 blade it is also more efficient. This is why I say it will be faster than a 422.
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^^Yup^^

A stock 330hp 454 will actually struggle to pull a 470 (12.5x15). It'll perform much better with a 13x13 or 13x14 acme (430, 1598, 1458). On a 176 with a 1.23, I don't think ia 470 is going to be enough prop since he's already turning the 422 (12.5x15.5) 4600. That's the sweet spot on a 240hp 351w.
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The prop doesn't know what engine is spinning it.

Big engine with a 1:1 could very well turn the same prop as a smaller engine with a 1.23:1

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I would think a good prop on a 454 might not be ideal for the 351 engine. The 454 has an extra 100 ft pounds of torque. That is a lot of helpful twist that the small engine could not muster.
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HW knows the secrets of the almighty 470
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Bet you go faster with a 470.
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Great looking boat, looks much younger than 1,000 hours for sure.
Glad you got it dialed in and can have fun with it. I like the color scheme!
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There she goes. There's the rpm you are looking for. I bet GPS will tell you faster.
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I finally got a vacuum gauge yesterday and took her out to tune the carb.

The final result is as follows:

1. 32 advanced on the timing
2. ACME 422
3. 4600 rpm WOT
4. 43 mph on a non-official gps
5. Starts and idles at 600 rpm.

I don't think I can ask anything more of a 1040 hr engine.

I have been really really happy with this boat. I'll probably keep my eye out for something in a 196 in the next few years, but I'm in no hurry.

Thanks for the help with the timing Zach! It sounded much worse than it was. I owe you a few sodas!
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How's it coming along?
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It has been a while since I've updated this thread with current projects. Added new links and I'm working on a timing report with Zach's help.

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Well I finally got to use my boat for that which it was intended. I got up skiing this week and it preformed really well.

Awesome wake at 15-20 off. I also pulled my friend barefoot and he was pretty happy with the hole shot.

I didn't get any pics of me skiing and I have a GoPro coming next week for some shots of the back of the boat underway.

We also had a Barefoot 200 out for the day. Who says CC and MC can't get along?





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I could have sworn someone posted a thread yesterday about potentially selling a 176 and now I can't find it. Maybe he changed his mind?
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Got one of the speedos working. Need to look at the other one a little closer.

Got out for a bit the other day and took requested video of the wake at full power. It's a short clip but it gets the point across.

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Hey thanks gents. I have a huge task ahead of me with learning about carbs, timing, and props. For the time being I've only had it in the water one time and I'm trying to make arrangements to get the boat closer to my house. Right now I have to make a half day of getting it prepped, launched, recovered, and stored again. In a week and a half ill have it set up to go in the water in about 15 min whenever I want. Once I get to that point I plan to start into the engine performance.

I will be asking some really stupid questions once I start the project because my knowledge in those areas are a little weak. I also have some moderate to severe trailer problems that need attention. Right now my trailer is like a mid evil death blender of jagged metal, rusted screws, and rotted wood.

My goal is to have everything fairly complete and functional for Green Lake. Then I hope to find really smart people and chain them to the boat until it runs like a Swiss Watch.

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Chris - In addition to checking the carb (secondaries opening all the way), I recommend checking the amount of timing advance. You should be getting at least 28 degrees total advance at 4000 RPM.   I have mine set up for 32 degrees at 3000 RPM.
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Good job dude!! I always have to use the drill bit method early on in the season from all the dirty water in the lakes/rivers. I take the tube off and blow down through the pickup with compressed air after the drill cleans the pickup.
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Chris - you should be able to check them now that they are all cleaned out. Have one of those crazy parachute guys "puff" on the pick up, it should cause a needle deflection on the speedos. Its a low pressure system, so no compressed air - HA!

Also I have some left over Collinite for you to try. I'll be back on Friday and can drop it at the hanger then. Any luck finding any threads on tuning carbs? Maybe that should be a new thread.
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If it wasn't for Po's Chris,some of us wouldn't have the boats we do
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Thanks Gary. That's what I did today. I took a bit of safety wire to the pitot and dug out a lot of mud. I think the PO did things just to make me wonder. Both of them were packed solid with mud, the right side was disconnected behind the tank, and the left one was disconnected above the pickup.

Very strange.

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You will have to check the pickups Chris,they clog easy. You'll have to disconnect the tubing from them and if their clogged you can use a pin or very fine drill bit to clean them out.
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One more short clip of the boat going a little faster.

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Oh yea......I forgot to mention,

both speedos do nothing. No indications at all.

I know all the tubing is hooked up from when I took the fuel tank out.

Any ideas beside replacing all the tubing?

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Thanks Gary and Jeff!

Steve I think your right about getting more from the engine. Once I get it to a place where it can be in the water for a while then I can start getting into it for sure.

Here's a short video from yesterday.

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Great job Chris. The swim platform really came out nice.
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