You didn build that !

John, someone who has done extensive training on how to use a gun = expert in the use of firearms. Google Biden stating his remarks. This is the guy the President put in charge of his gun policy.

Bruce, I cant wait till I hear his answer....

John b , I smell horse sh it.....Your train of thought, as usual, scares the hell out of me. But then again , I must live on a different planet than you...

"Go ask a police officer what you should do if a burgular breaks into your home"
OK Skicat, I will ask myself when I find the time.
Fun Facts about burglaries from a multi year study by our crime anaylist from our reports and IUCR statistics.

More than 80% of residential burglaries happen on week days during daytime hours between 0900-1530.

More than 90% of commercial / industrial burglaries happen at night.

Of the 20% of residential burglaries that don't happen during that time frame, about half occur on holidays when the resident (s) are away at work.

Somewhere around 20% of burglaries are identified as insurance jobs staged by the victim.

Burglars almost always ring the door bell and pound on the door repeatedly before entering. That is why burglary is "the cowards crime".

If someone answers the door when they are knocking / ringing they most often give a story that they are selling something.

The most common way burglars are caught red handed is solicitor complaints from the person who answered the door, believed they were moron solicitors, and called the police.

Burglars are armed less than 10% of the time when caught in the act.

Burglaries are most often done for drug money.

Most burglars have a history of retail theft.

Competent burglars love homes with an attached garage and an extra car. They load the loot into the car in the garage and then open the garage door and drive away in it not raising the suspicion an unknown car in the area would and eliminating the chance of someone getting a license number.

The victims car is commonly left undamaged with the keys in it in a large shopping mall after the loot is put in a different vehicle.

Several good burglars have told me they left the victims car in a conspicuous area. such as running at a 7-11, with the keys in it on the chance it would be stolen by someone else implicating them in the burglary through forensic evidence or being caught in it.

Good burglars commonly use pillow cases from the house so they aren't carrying anything suspicious to the police if they are stopped.

A "wonder bar" is the most common burglary tool.

Amateur burglars (drug money) usually target homes near their residence (walking distance), professionals usually travel 10 miles or more.

Burglars normally enter through a back door or escape window, but most commonly leave through the front door.

The master bedroom is the most common room tossed, the kitchen is the least.

If there is a safe for guns and it can fit in a car, it is usually taken. Same goes for small safes. If they can be carried, bolt them down. Everyone knows this, but not many do it.

I have done neighborhood interviews after burglaries where the neighbor saw someone unknown leaving the house. When the burglar noticed he/they were being watched they turned to the house and waved and said something loudly like "thanks, see you Tuesday".

The most effective deterrent to a burglary is a radio playing loud enough so it can be heard just outside the home or when they force entry. They don't want a confrontation.

The under cover drug unit I spent much of my career in solved many burglaries by buying the stuff the dope dealers had taken in payment from the dopers for their drugs.

I bough a lot of guns taken in burglaries.

One of my favorite arrests was when I met a guy to buy a S/A handgun, and after examining it, making sure it was loaded, and agreeing on a price, I used it to arrest him.

Locks only keep honest people honest.

I hope someone enjoys these "fun facts" they are taught in the academy and by most FTOs on the street.

boat dr wrote: john b, glad to know Smith and Wesson are protecting my family and not you. You are a strange egg my boy.......Billy

   

John my statement is saying that those type of people are most likley carrying a weapon.I never heard of a crimnal breaking into a home and NOT carrying some type of weapon.A weapon of any sort to hurt you or others. Us law abidding citizens dont believe to walk into Wal Mart and wave our guns in the air or in the street.Are firm beleif is if we feel are life is in danger or someone else's then we shoot to kill.

Go ask a police officer what you should do if a burgular breaks into your home? He will tell you to shoot him because reponse time can take up 23 minutes. Because your life is in danger!! And what ever you do,if you have a gun,DO NOT,like the democrats are saying,"Fire a warning shot in the air"!! You will get arrested and taken to jail for doing so because that bullet you shoot into air is described danger to the public. The CHL class teaches this.

john b, glad to know Smith and Wesson are protecting my family and not you.

You are a strange egg my boy.......Billy

John,if you pulled a ball point pin out on a crimnal/killer/convict/pedafil- let me know how big and tall you are I will chip in on your coffin my brother...

Riley wrote: Anyone see that video of Biden telling someone to buy a shot gun to defend their home? Obama put Biden in charge of gun control and he's giving lame advice that is incredablyly stupid and irresponsible. And he gets a complete free ride from the press and all the Obama followers. I do not understand the blind loyalty this administration gets from so many people, especially educated people.

I heard that one..And heard something from a colorado democrat calling for people and women to defend themselves with a ball point pen.. These democrats are so idiotic and so stupid. Just mind boggling how there brain works!!


The stupid ones will wake up in 2014 when Obama care fully hits.Doctors will tell you,"sorry we dont take medicare anymore,go die in the street"!! Yet they want to bash the Ryan plan of pushing granny off the cliff but yet they have a bill that does so. Wait till the stupid ones get a higher cost in there premiums!! Wait till they see the hidden taxes in that bill from Obama care. And people think it is so hunky dory... There idiots,just let them be idiots.


I got a job a month ago and got first full check last week and fell out of my chair.Compared it to a old pay stub, and made me really angry. The diffenece in the payroll tax and SS tax and medicare tax was huge difference when you do it times 52 wks.Thank God I dont live in California,I would have to pay a additional state tax on top of that.

What I see happening when January hits in 2014 and Obama care is in full affect, people will finally wake up and we get the Senate again and the last 2 yrs of nit wit's presidency will not be good for him.Because if you kept voting for him and you keep having your freedom of choice,liberty,and money taking from your pocket you got to flip at some point.It is sad to see people not see it now or what is coming,they have to see it in person to believe. Which is irresponsible and idiotic.Plain and simple!!

john b wrote: Just for the record......again, I am not a Democrat and have still never voted a straight ticket.

Is the alternative a gay ticket?

Just for the record......again, I am not a Democrat and have still never voted a straight ticket.

Riley wrote:    I do not understand the blind loyalty this administration gets from so many people, especially educated people.

The lack of any reasonable choice put up from the other side?

cute -not really anything to do with what I said and misses the more obvious parrallel of government and taxpayers

Certainly not as funny as going back a few dozen pages on this thread and rereading all the predictions about what would happen by now if Obama was reelected.

Just try and turn off the talk radio and live in the world of facts every now and then guys and maybe the republican party can get someone to run for office that isnt a complete tool.

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You Democrats look to hold Obama harmless for poor leadership, and the people who voted for him harmless for poor judgement, but then hold the Republicans responsible for not seeing in advance that the president would destroy the country by how he was leading and spending? Not only is it rediculous, but even if the independents were omnisicent and decided to take a gamble and vote for the future good of the country by voting republican there is no doubt in my mind that the country would still have been squandered because Obama made so many empty promises and you all fell for it.
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there, i fixed it.   

Precisely! The threshold for stepping in should be the point where it is more expensive to the economy to pay the benefits for the people displaced by the loss of the corporation and supporting manufacturing companies than it is to preserve it. GMs demise may also have dragged Ford with it, since many of the supporting manufacturers that Ford relies on would not have survived on Ford business alone. If that had occurred we would have lost the capacity to manufacture autos in this country, along with the contribution they make to the balance of trade from foreign sales and manufacturing. You and I would have been forced to send our hard earned money for the second biggest purchase most people make to Korea, Japan, Germany, or some other foreign country. Worse than that, I would have no choice but to drive an appliance from Toyota, or a Lexus, the cure for insomnia.

Bret, you are a noble man.....

john b wrote: Brett and Billy, As far as your neighbor is concerned, Brett, would you hire the guy? Your neighbor has very few options in a market teaming with qualified applicants without a murder conviction for every available job. At an average cost of $45,000 per year to incarcerate a person that cost is a necessary one to place him back into society. With no means of support and no prospects for employment how do you expect him to eat and live. There is a high rate of recidivism among Xs because of this. I don't know of anyone who will starve or freeze to death willingly. Next thing you know you will be reporting a crime at your house, hopeful not a violent one.

Absolutely not. If it was up to me he would not be breathing our free air. Life is full of choices, and you control your own destiny. But that's en entirely different discussion.
As far as my and my families safety....My wife and I are both CCW holders with extensive firearm training, and also have a German Shepherd on guard duty at all times. Used to have a 100lb Doberman. Both houses on either side of me have been burglarized over the last 10 years but mine has not. A big bad dog is a pretty good deterrent.   
John, I'm sure you're a good guy and I wouldn't mind sharing some stories of boats, beers and women some day. I guess we'll just have to disagree about our political ideals. Not saying it makes you a bad person. I will say I'm very surprised at your societal outlook with your criminal law backround though. I am friends with quite a few in local law enforcement from both NJ and here in FL(hockey and cycling buddies) and they have very different perspectives.