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Airfooter
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Posted: October-01-2014 at 10:55pm |
One thing you might want to consider when looking at SV211's is that the '07 SV211's had taller seat backs than previous years. It made the boat feel deeper, which we really liked, but maybe not a deal breaker for you. |
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JPASS
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When it comes to storage, wake size, seating capacity and the convenience of the tower over the extended pylon (in regards to set up and take down), I would say it's better for us. |
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63 Skier
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Since I'm not experienced with the v-drive boats, could someone do a quick rundown on the pros and cons of a '98-'02 Super Sport vs. a 210 vs. a 211? I feel like I know the direct drive ski models pretty well but would like to know more about the capabilities of the wake boats.
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Hollywood
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It sounds like a 211 or 210 will do what you want to be doing better. If that's the case, sure it's an "upgrade". But, newer and bigger don't exactly translate to better IMO.
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JPASS
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Well it appears wifey does not approve of the '02 SANTE. I think it's my fault for showing her the newer SV211 last week. After going through a bazillion pics and a few brochures it seems she likes the '06 and up 211s and the '07 and up SANs.
You know what they say, happy wife, happy life. Who am I to complain that she wants to have a nicer boat right? |
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quinner
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Here is a link to Mike's 99' Python Powered Super Air, he is at 28k at the moment, boat is up in Minnesota
99' Super Air Link The 02' does have an Excal so hours should be retrievable. Buddy has an 06' 210 SANTE he is looking to sell, believe he would let it go at 33-34k range, this one is in Northern Michigan. |
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a0128
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The 2004 SANTE 210 at N3 still looks to be available.
Here is a quick video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=FaHgkI1Ncuw |
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s_kelley2000
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TX is correct, that is not an original interior but it looks like a decent quality job was done from the little bit you can see from the pics. The original sunpad had a curvy line instead of the straight color lines along with some other changes but if you like it then that is all that matters.
Since you said it has a chevy and I don't see the Python hump I am going to assume it's an Excal 330 which is good because you can get the true hours off the ECM unlike the GT40. If the Excal was well maintained then 1200 hours is nothing to be scared of. The gauges are pretty straight forward to change out if you get the right kit. Check N3 or nautiqueparts.com for the current prices on those. |
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63 Skier
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I'm not convinced I like that trailer. No bow stop means no power loading, and the fenders don't appear to have any protection in case the hull drifts over them or up against them when retrieving.
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a0128
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Here is a link from Nautiqueparts.com for replacement gauges. http://www.nautiqueparts.com/fariagaugeconversionkitforboatswithperfectpassandblkssgauges.aspx If it is Chevy powered you can get the true hours off the ECU using a laptop and software. Any marina should be able to do the same. |
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TX Foilhead
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I like the colors, that's not original upholstery though. Your own your own guessing at the hours on the boats that have digital gauges. You have no idea if the gauge is the original so there is no way to get a true idea of the hours.
I don't know if it's posted here, but Wake Slayer has his 99 Python powered SS for sale. |
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JPASS
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Gonna go look at this 02 SANTE Later this week. It still has the digital gauges, which concerns me (how much/trouble to replace them should they go bad?). Second owner. Says it's in excellent condition.
Anything I should look at specifically? 1200 hours on a chevy, should I be worried? Asking $26500, what would be a fair offer if it's in great shape and everything's working?? |
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Smithfamily
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That's a great price for the 92! I like the Green color. But the blue one is nice too, and less $$. |
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JPASS
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Thanks guys. I have no interest in purchasing this boat. I'd put the price at $20K considering it's condition, but didn't want to insult him with such a low offer. I'd rather pay $30K for a super clean, well maintained boat. I'm in no hurry to buy considering how nice our current boat is.
When the right boat catches my eye, I'll buy it. This one just isn't it. |
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63 Skier
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Mike, sounds like we agree.
There are definitely times when hours don't tell the story. I'd buy your boat with 1,000 hours every time before buying this one with 272. Most of us don't reach the useful life of an engine on a properly maintained boat, in my mind 2,000 hours with ease. Beat up boats need to sell at the very low end of the market, regardless of how few hours are on them. |
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05 210
Platinum Member Joined: February-17-2006 Location: Southern Maine Status: Offline Points: 1481 |
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Honestly, I'd probably be in the low(low) 20's on that boat with no trailer. If it needs as much work as it sounds. You probably could find a cleaner one ( maybe not as low hours) with a trailer for around close to what his asking price is. A trailer for his won't be cheap, and msy be hurting his chances to sell it.
The aluminum will clean up, gel can be buffed, the seats/carpet can be fixed and cleaned, lights are probably something minor, the vibration would worry me without being able to verify the cause before purchasing tho. If you like the boat, can verify the weedy prop and don't mind the elbow grease....lowball him and use it while you pick away at the other stuff. . Sounds like it's been for sale for a bit, the worst thing he can say is no. Mike |
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63 Skier
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Of the things you list, I have 2 concerns. First is the driveline vibration. It's not weeds, it's something in the driveline. Second, it's the 9 year old boat being neglected and beat on. People who don't take care of the rest of the boat don't take care of the mechanical stuff either. So, I'd bet it's been neglected from a maintenance standpoint and who knows how long that driveline has been run with either a misaligned shaft or other problem.
So, I'd probably pass on it. If I was buying, figuring the market for '05 boats of similar style is in the high 20's or so, I'd probably not pay more than $22,000 or so based on needing a lot of care and possible transmission rebuild. |
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JPASS
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Got to the boat around 11. It was raining off and on by 12:30. Supposed to clear up mid week. |
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Orlando76
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I want to know where you found blue skies at? I'm gonna build an ark.
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JPASS
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So I went to see the '05 210 this morning. Unfortunately not the boat for me.
I really liked how this boat rode compared to the newer SV. It seemed more agile and lighter. Most everything worked except for the anchor, bow lights, and tower speakers. Dislikes for this boat: Blue gel was oxidized and entire boat needed a good buffing. Carpet was filthy and stained. Aluminum had quite a bit of oxidation and pitting. Nav and anchor lights were not working. There were three tears in the upholstery. The PP was not working properly. There's was quite a bit of mildew on the upholstery. There was some vibration when driving that the owner attributed to weeds in the prop. While the lake was quite weedy, we could not raise the boat high enough on the lift to confirm the weeds in the prop. This boat maxed out at 39mph at 5000rpm. Slower than I thought. He's asking $29,900 (no trailer), but seemed negotiable. I'm amazed at how dirty this boat was considering he new someone was coming over to see it. It seems like they use the boat, then simply put it on the lift when done. No cleaning it or anything. This boat was not in the shape I would pay even $25K for, especially with only 272 hours on it. Here are some pics: What do you guys think this thing would be worth? |
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05 210
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DFoster has a nice 211.They surf, ski, and wakeboard (and possibly now wakeskate?? ) behind it. I was in it at the Ct Mini but did not ride behind it. he has gutted the factory ballast in favor of a more robust set up and the wake looked very nice. I really like the idea of the walkt hru over the sundeck for accessing the platform, but I don't prefer the look, so that's a trade off for me. I also find the seating arrangement in the 211 to be a little odd.
My SAN on the other hand is not great for skiing, but If I want to take a run I go behind my BILs MC so no biggie for me. I have had much better skiers than myself behind it and while its not great, it is doable. The surf wake is ok with the right set-up and the wakeboard wake is stellar. It is pretty abrupt and steep, but you can add weight to the floor and the nose to make it a little mellower/rampy. took a bit to get used to but it really is a fun boat to ride behind. I have also towed several long line barefooters behind it. It has the Excal 330 and runs about 41-42 depending on conditions with the stock Acme 644 @ 5000 rpm. The boat also handles extremely well for a wake boat. A friend just bought a new 2014 Tige V drive and while the surf wake is nice, the wakeboard wake pales in comparison, even with more factory ballast and the TAPS system. It's amazing how far ahead of it's time that hull was. I bought mine new in Dec 05 and it currently has over 550 hours on it. I had to replace the heater core due to a crack in the inlet nipple a few years ago, other than that the only issue I've had in 550+ hours was a stuck(open) T-stat this spring. A quick WFO run up the lake followed by a heat soaking popped it free and it's been fine all season- no tools required! I have zero complaints and zero regrets with my purchase. It's probably not worth anymore than the 30k he's asking for that one, but I don't think I could let mine go for that, it's just been too good to me. And frankly, I like the more classic lines of that hull compared to the newer ones and I certainly don't warrant anymore performance on a personal level than a boat of that caliber provides. Good luck with whatever you decide. If you mostly wakeboard, you can"t go wrong with that boat. |
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JPASS
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I know and the 210 has been on craigslist since August with several price drops. I'll post some pics tomorrow of what I find. |
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phatsat67
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You are in the buyers portion of the market now being end of season. Keep that in mind during negotiations.
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63 Skier
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I'd still just move on from that '08 211, the dealer is dreaming and there's too many boats to look at to bother with a flawed deal.
Good luck with the 210. I really like that boat. |
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JPASS
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Towing capacity is 6100lbs. I think I'm good. |
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Hollywood
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Is your tow vehicle ready for any of these bigger boats?
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JPASS
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Salesman came back with a used (rather nice) 2 axle ramlin and the boat for $39600 + TTTL. They would fix the docking lights and ballast pumps if they were simply fixes. If it was more than bulbs and an impeller, then they wouldn't repair them and we'd have to take the boat as is. They would not repair the upholstery either way.
I have an appointment to go look at the 2005 210 on Friday. $29,900, does not include a trailer. Half the fun is shopping and test driving. I've never driven any of these boats. Amazing how different they are. |
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bkhallpass
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True, but the 210s you are looking at are no longer in production either. That hull ran from 95 to 2006. BKH |
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a0128
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This N3 boat would be the bomb next July 4th. While I have not purchased anything from N3, based on their videos, and the quality of their boats I would not hesitate to consider a used boat from them. As many have mentioned on this site, maintenance history is the key when looking at a high hour boat. Looks like it has either Wet Sounds REV8's or PRO80's on the tower. Nice! That 2005 SAN on CL looked nice too. Low hours and a single owner boat. Big plus! |
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phatsat67
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Exactly, that one has 1000 hours on it and it's a nice boat for 1000 hours. Which is why it's at that 28,000 point instead of a 30-32k point. It is sold FYI closing tomorrow.
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