Obamas Gun Controle Proposal?

Mike, why are you wanting the ability to list? Wake surfing? Ear phones of any quality will not help. Maybe try some ballast.

sorry im late to the party here,has anybody wondered what would happen if a product of todays they need to be talked to not punished society showed up on your door step high on bath salts like the guy in florida who ate the homeless man and took multiple gunshots from the police to stop?
we had one show up at a house just through the woods from us , chased a woman and her granddaughter with a tire iron then ran out into traffic and jumped into the bed of a pickup that slowed to avoid hitting him police got him but if the womans neighbor hadnt been home who knows what would have happened. i will keep all of my black guns and high capacity magazines that my family all know how to use just in case.
in a rural area it might take some time for help to arrive and were not gonna be victims.
it makes me wonder what obama and "finklestiens" REAL agenda is.
our government is NOT run on common sense.... but more on greed and personal power and control.

I love his shooting form in the photo . if he skeet shoots all the time he must be pretty sore . poor form obama poor form.

05 210 wrote: peter1234 wrote: I was told today that 223 if you can get it is $1 per round . He sold him 4 NIB Colts ( about $1200 ea new at Walmart) for $40,000. Thats just nuts. I should cash out......and buy a new boat     Mike

it's a great time to sell, Mike. especially if you have lowers. i've unloaded all but one of my complete evil black rifles and thinking about getting rid of that one while the market is what it is. this will pass, panic buyers will run out of $$. these brand new matte black guns will sit unused in closets. i have more stripped and 80% lowers at home than i care to admit and i'll build them when it does. i'll build 3-4 of them for what i've sold 1 for. just have to wait for stock to be replenished.

peter1234 wrote: I was told today that 223 if you can get it is $1 per round .

I just bought a case today at Kittery Trading Post. American Eagle 223 . 1000 rounds for $ 441 after tax = 44 cents a round. They had just put 4 cases on the shelf when I walked in. Picked up a case, walked to the register and cashed out. I got lucky....Walked by the shelf right after that and it was gone. 10 minutes maybe. I can't find 9mm anyway and 22LR is non existent as well.

You can't get anything right now. I bought two stripped lower receivers and 10 30 round mags two days after Sandy Hook. Lowers were $130 each, mags $12 each. The next day, literally, hey were selling lowers on gunbroker for 5-600 and 30 round Magpul mags were 75-100 each.

I saw two LaRue Costa Edition OBRs on Gunbroker last week sell for over 11,000 each. They are around 3k new from Larue, but hard to get. Read a post the other day on Ar15.com, guy said he had a wealthy neighbor looking for a few Ars for him and his friends. He sold him 4 NIB Colts ( about $1200 ea new at Walmart) for $40,000. Thats just nuts. I should cash out......and buy a new boat    

Mike

I was told today that 223 if you can get it is $1 per round .

I think there is a little too much truth in that for some to want to acknowledge, Mike.

I had a wake up call yesterday. I have not gone to an indoor public range in years. I don't get a lot of enjoyment from it any more, just burn out I guess. A friend asked me to go shooting at a range with him yesterday, and I agreed to do so and get lunch afterwards. There was a one hour wait for a lane. My friend told me that it is impossible to get .223 ammunition for one of his guns due to the overwhelming demand. At the range I found he was right. They didn't know when they would get any in, and they would not take orders or deposits. Even more of a surprise, they were out of .38 and a few others and didn't know when they would get more of that either. The .38 was a real surprise be ause I believe that is just for plinking these days. Is this the case at most stores? I only know the Chicago market.

I just got a great email from a guy that I go shooting with. It was a picture of a guy holding a sign that said:

"Gun control is like trying to reduce drunk driving by making it harder for sober people to own cars"

Mike

It is very important...... In the minds of those who think Capricorn 1 is a documentary.

could you expect anything else from him or the hillary testimony?

more reason for the nra to bring in some out of country spokespersons

john b wrote: With a rate in the USA of 3.9 firearm deaths per 100,000 population our firearm murder rate is 90 TIMES greater than that in Great Britain, which has a rate of 0.04 per 100,000.

Yeah, your numbers sound more in line. For some reason when I looked it up per capita it was showing the UK with a 1.48 per rate, which is alot closer than .04 per. I did see where .04 per was listed someplace else so maybe the place I checked was including other murders or something.

jbach wrote: why do you guys always use the UK? because it's the only example that fits the agenda?

I was referencing the Uk because that moron on CNN keeps touting how safe it is. He neglects too mention that per capita it has the most violent crime rate in Europe though. That's the point I was trying to get at.

I guess Mexico would have been a better example . They are a great example of how well gun control works and our government is partially, directly responsible for some of the violence down there.

john b wrote: I would encourage all of you who have an interest in the issue to call your representatives, be they Republican or Democratic, and respectfully make your view known. If those of you who are strong gun rights supporters stand on the sidelines and expect the NRA to do all of the work I don't think it will end well for you.

I have been doing this weekly since Sandy Hook and could not agree with you more. FWIW, I do not think the NRA has done a very good job publically with this issue. They may be fighting inside the legislature, but in the publics eye they really have had poor representation of gun owners on this issue. They need to stop pointing fingers at video games and movies. I believe that the mental health issue plays an important role and I think that guns and video games only become a negative part of the equation if the individual has a mental health issue. I would be surprised if we get much more out of this than stiffer background checks. The problem with background checks though is that criminals won't use them. They don't now and won't later and I think that has been the argument from the beginning.

Example: A few years ago, Massachussetts put up a giant billboard basically blaming Maine for their gun crime. Criminals (note the use of that word) are driving up to Maine and buying guns then heading back into Mass and reselling them for a 2-300% profit in less than 24 hours. Do you think these guys are going to have background checks done? I do not know what percentage of the Maine to Mass sales are guys selling to someone out of state(which is illegal already) and which are thug to thug transactions. Point is, instead of properly trying to address their crime problem, Mass (which has very tough gun laws) just decided it would be easier to point the blame at something else. Sound familiar? Basically Mass has created themselves a very lucrative black market for guns due to their tough gun laws and inability to lock these thugs up and keep them there. Remember, most gun crime perps are REPEAT offenders and CAREER criminals.

I've made some references to other items in this thread and the other one a few weeks ago about regulations on other items such as cars and cameras and people tell me it's an invalid argument. Is it? I'm not saying these things are or aren't more dangerous or more important than other things. What I am trying to point out, is that no one seems to think other law abiding citizens should be subject to excess legislation on these items, but law abiding gun owners should. Can anyone who thinks we should have more gun control give me a valid argument against why we should have more gun laws when we continue to look the other way at all the other ways people die in the hands of criminals or irresponsible citizens. Why is it that guns are always singled out? Because this govt. agenda has absolutely nothing to do with saving lives. That's why.

Mike

Very well said John.

Discussing the subject here on the forum, while yet intresting, will not change anything on the matter.
Those who want to keep the freedom of possessing a gun (for sport shooting or defend their homes or whatever other reason) still have the change to let themselves be heard. So do it. Speak to your representatives and build strong arguments around your case... You still have the chance to do it...

We do not have that chance anymore over here...

and as a side note it was also to add the amount of ammo to be transported by supply and the soldier being a considerable amount lighter than the .308 /7.62
Kristof what the N.R.A needs are a coalition of spokespersons from countries such as yours to speak in this country to people on the fence or people who have blinders on ie; hunters /plinkers/or the millions who just have a 22 of gramps in the closet and show them what this can lead to.

why do you guys always use the UK? because it's the only example that fits the agenda?

Ok, how about these examples.

Russian Federation: 11.2 per 100,000
Nigeria:12.2
Nicaragua: 13.2
Korea: 15.2
Namibia: 17.2
Mexico: 18.1
Kenya: 20.1
Greenland: 10.5
Nicaragua: 13.2
Ecuador: 18.2
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines: 22
Dominican Republic: 24.9
Saint Lucia: 25.2
Puerto Rico: 26.2
Colombia: 33.4
Trinidad and Tobago: 35.2
Saint Kitts and Nevis: 38.2
US Virgin Islands: 39.2
Guatemala: 41.4
Venezuela: 49
Jamaica: 52.1
El Salvador: 66
Honduras: 82.1

etc, etc, etc,etc